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Scope and turret questions

08 Sep 2015
@ 07:03 am (GMT)

Russell

Hello Nathan and others,
Looking at a scope upgrade for Christmas, I only have one rifle and prefer it that way, most of my shooting 80% is on the range or field target shooting, 15% hunting hares etc just more practice really, and 5% deer stalking. My current shooting style has been to stay withing MPBR and will probably stick to this for my deer stalking as I don't believe I'm any where near good enough for long range. But would like to start practice dialing longer target shots etc and hAve a scope for when i can hunt further.

I have put in the links for 3 sightron scopes that I feel may suit my needs, I currently have a bushnell elite 3-9×40 which is a great size for the rifle and great to use. I don't want a massive or heavy scope as when deer stalking I'm 50/50 tight north island bush including the 5m views in the kiamia's and northland bush, and open tops, clearings style shooting. Also I don't want a rifle that is bad to carry in hand and catches on every thing.

My question is about the turrets, which style would you recomend?

In your first book you state target style turrets, I am inclined to agree but just wanted to check as I am worried that they may get caught up on things in the bush and on clothing and pack straps etc. Also are these still water proof, fog proof with the caps off?
I'm not a fan of the exposed tactical style as I would fear they could move while bush bashing.
The finger adjustable hunting turrets. Are these suitable for regularly dialing? I was told by a retailer that without the caps on the scope may leak but I'm not convinced as don't they have a gas in them?

Also do you think a scope this large with target turrets will still be suitable for bush stalking or have any other suggestions remembering this is a scope for carrying alot and for shots 3y to 450y max on animals as its only 6.5x55 but hopefully 1000y on targets. Although it may end up on another rifle one day.


http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/bakery/sightron-siii-3.5-10-x-44-lr-md-1383.php

http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/bakery/sightron-siii-3.5-10-x-44-lr-md-cm-1228.php

http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/bakery/sightron-sii-big-sky-3-12-x-42-hhr-1232.php

Sorry it's such a long post.

Thanks in advance Russell.

Replies

08 Sep 2015
@ 06:55 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Scope and turret questions
hi russell.

i just fitted a bigsky 4-16x42 to my tikka, i don't notice the turrets getting caught on anything didn't even really notice the extra weight.
the extra zoom of the 16x is very helpful specially if you do want to extend your ranges. not sure you would notice any difference between 3x and 4x at the bottom end but a lot of scope choices are personal choice for your type of hunting.

they must be waterproof with caps off otherwise they would leak gas like you say but you wouldn't want to much water and debris getting in there clogging stuff up. have a look at this if you want
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Resources/Discussion+Forums/x_forum/21/thread/6674.html
08 Sep 2015
@ 10:25 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Scope and turret questions
http://info.sightron.com/Riflescopes/SII-Series---Big-Sky/SIIB41642MD/

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_in_s_p_4_28?me=A20QE77LQWR05P&fst=as%3Aoff&rh=p_4%3ASightron&ie=UTF8&qid=1441750588

I was crawling thru Gorse tunnels last night with my 6-24x50 on my swede. It was fine didn't snag or fowl (Cluck cluck) that I was aware of. I do like Thomas's Scope its smaller than mine is for sure.

08 Sep 2015
@ 10:56 pm (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: Scope and turret questions
G'day Russel
I have a S111 3.5-10 x 44 mil-dot on my 30-06 great scope but I have the windage turret taped up, it seemed to get moved off zero often and keep an eye on the elevation turret. I don't use the sun shade.

http://www.4scopes.com/sit-25130.html

Cheers
Bob
09 Sep 2015
@ 05:36 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Thanks for your experience guys,

Thanks for the link Thomas, I will have a read.

Warwick, crawling through gorse tunnels this sounds like my ushall hunting, good to know that the scope isn't a hinderacne for you, you certainly appear to be shooting plenty of deer, if you ever need a hunting buddy let me know I have been trying to track them down for about 5 years now and only seen 1 at around 800y so out of my range. Also cool sling mate.

Bob, thats interesting that the dial moves I wouldn't have expected that, have you asked the retailer about it as I'm sure it shouldn't move, is this with the caps on?

Thanks again.
09 Sep 2015
@ 05:36 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Thanks for your experience guys,

Thanks for the link Thomas, I will have a read.

Warwick, crawling through gorse tunnels this sounds like my ushall hunting, good to know that the scope isn't a hinderacne for you, you certainly appear to be shooting plenty of deer, if you ever need a hunting buddy let me know I have been trying to track them down for about 5 years now and only seen 1 at around 800y so out of my range. Also cool sling mate.

Bob, thats interesting that the dial moves I wouldn't have expected that, have you asked the retailer about it as I'm sure it shouldn't move, is this with the caps on?

Thanks again.
09 Sep 2015
@ 06:58 am (GMT)

jason

Re: Scope and turret questions
Iv got s2 big Sky 6.5-20 and s3 6-24.
The s3 is much better. The turrets are more positive with good clicks.
The s2's 6.5 is really too high power for bush.
I'd get s3 and tape the turrets for bush. I think the mill dot s3 has caps over the turrets.
But ideally I think the best idea is two scopes or rifles. The old saying... jack of all trades master of none.
And there you have it an excuse to get a second rifle. Haha
09 Sep 2015
@ 08:45 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Thanks for that jason,
Good to know the turrets are better on the slll, that is probably the one I'm favoring. I don't need excuses to buy rifles I need money, and thats all ear marked for new scope, reloading bits and projectiles powder etc got a fair bit of spending to do before I get my dedicated long range rig.

Thanks
09 Sep 2015
@ 09:28 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Scope and turret questions
Quote:
Thanks for your experience guys,

Thanks for the link Thomas, I will have a read.

Warwick, crawling through gorse tunnels this sounds like my ushall hunting, good to know that the scope isn't a hinderacne for you, you certainly appear to be shooting plenty of deer, if you ever need a hunting buddy let me know I have been trying to track them down for about 5 years now and only seen 1 at around 800y so out of my range. Also cool sling mate.

Bob, thats interesting that the dial moves I wouldn't have expected that, have you asked the retailer about it as I'm sure it shouldn't move, is this with the caps on?

Thanks again.


Where are you Russell? I'm in Hawkes bay. Some of the Red Deer here are escapees from a slip that knocked over a fence 10 years ago. They have joined with the wild ones around here and number around 30 odd! Then there's the Fellow population that are a constant sight until you stop driving and they turn into Lightning Bolts and Flash off into the bush!!!!
The Farmers want their numbers reduced so as I am here they have said to get a few. Its the middle of Lambing so I only shoot where there's no Young-lings to scare!
Look at sheep as they graze! Walk that slow thru the bush and look look look!!!!! If you move to fast it spooks everything.
In open land or bush with grassy slips and openings get a good down wind observation position pre dawn or sunset and sit quietly use range finder to get the distance of the slips n clearings be patient don't move around. Look thru binos at the clearings and just around or after sunset wait and see who pops out for a feed? Mr Red and his young apprentices with a Doe or two????? If you seeing sign they have to be there ????

09 Sep 2015
@ 10:57 pm (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: Scope and turret questions
Russell
I have a S111 3.5-10 x 44 mil-dot, it doesn't have turret caps, you have to keep an eye on them but its not a big problem. It's a great scope.
Bob
10 Sep 2015
@ 04:58 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Hey Warwick,

I am up in Whangarei in northland, so for me to go looking for deer it's atleast a 5hr drive, we try to get down atleast twice a year to somewhere, going to try and squeeze two more trips in before Christmas this year, mostly been hunting around ruapehu, 42nd traverse and I did try on the western side of Lake Toupo, it's just time in the bush I guess, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer each time hopefully next trip is my chance.

It's great you have them in numbers where they are a pest and the access to them, goats used to be like that up here then a market opened up over seas and over about 5 years they were mostly rounded up and sent to the works, and doc culls there's pretty heavily, the pigs can be tricky as they are mostly nocturnal up here after being chased by dogs all the time, but deer are the dream any way, been dreaming of shooting one since I was about 10, now 30 so better get on with it haha.

When do the deer ushally cast there antlers? I didn't expect them to still have them.
Cheers
10 Sep 2015
@ 04:58 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Hey Warwick,

I am up in Whangarei in northland, so for me to go looking for deer it's atleast a 5hr drive, we try to get down atleast twice a year to somewhere, going to try and squeeze two more trips in before Christmas this year, mostly been hunting around ruapehu, 42nd traverse and I did try on the western side of Lake Toupo, it's just time in the bush I guess, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer each time hopefully next trip is my chance.

It's great you have them in numbers where they are a pest and the access to them, goats used to be like that up here then a market opened up over seas and over about 5 years they were mostly rounded up and sent to the works, and doc culls there's pretty heavily, the pigs can be tricky as they are mostly nocturnal up here after being chased by dogs all the time, but deer are the dream any way, been dreaming of shooting one since I was about 10, now 30 so better get on with it haha.

When do the deer ushally cast there antlers? I didn't expect them to still have them.
Cheers
10 Sep 2015
@ 05:04 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Hi again Warwick,
I didn't even realize there were fallow down there, I have heard of them over Wanganui ways but not around there, that's interesting they seam to be spreading out well then, Hawkes bay is a nice area my wife and I went to Napier once for a holiday, great spot.
10 Sep 2015
@ 07:14 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Scope and turret questions
hi russel ill be bit blunt but if you try to hunt twice a year don't expect much, you really need to learn your hunting area's not try new place every time. i like pureora's myself but not sure 1080'd like everywhere else at the moment.
im just starting into rifle shooting more im one of those mongrel pig hunters most of the time so i can't give you much advice but one thing that sticks with me ever since i heard it, "if you think your going slow enough half it"

on a separate issue ill be up in whangarei on monday night if you want to look through a 4-16x42 bigsky ill bring my rifle with me
10 Sep 2015
@ 07:42 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Yes you are right about going back to the same spots, it helps to get to know the terrain, we are going back to a valley I have been 3 times before and have seen good sign, finally spotted one on the last day last trip, I think we have been hunting to low, so we are slowly starting to figure them out, I get the going slow thing, it's tricky but I try to do the take 1 step wait look all directions take another step etc, it helps knowing I'm getting into the correct areas now.

I intend to get down allot more in the next few years that's why I'm getting abit more setup, got my house now and the kids are getting a bit older so it's becoming easier to get away.

Yes I would be keen to have a look if it's easy for you, I wouldnt want to put you out. We are about 14km out of kamo which is on the northern end but I can travel around if you let me know what's going to work.

I read your link, I'm not sure importing one with the current exchange rate would save much as dead eye dicks have them for $1200, I figure it's going to cost me $1075 to import, but saying that they may not have them in stock or the internet price may be wrong.
10 Sep 2015
@ 08:32 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Scope and turret questions
hi russell i grew up in whangarei so you can tell me the area i should know it. ill be out Ruatangata.

sounds like you know what to do just a learning curve.

i looked at importing but if i got caught and taxed at custom i wasn't sure it would of been cheaper sounds like warwick got a deal thou
10 Sep 2015
@ 09:06 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
I am out ruatangata aswell so can't be to far from where you are staying, I'm just past the township if you could call it that. 027 4411809 flick me a txt or call somtime Monday if your still keen to catch up.

Thanks.
10 Sep 2015
@ 09:37 am (GMT)

Russell

Re: Scope and turret questions
Hey Thomas, do you feel the 16 power is necessary for longer shots, how long has your longest shots been with this scope. I was thinking 3.5-10 but every one seams to be going bigger and still shooting deer close without any difficulty. How do you find the ao parrallax vs side focus, is it still usable in field shooting. Hopefuly we can catch up and have a god look but just thought I'd ask now incase I forget later.
10 Sep 2015
@ 10:19 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: Scope and turret questions
Hi Russell

I use a 3.5-10 x 44, I often shoot to 600m. I shot a goat at 920m a while back, its all relative, just put the cross hairs where they need be.
Bob
10 Sep 2015
@ 06:32 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Scope and turret questions
its not necessary but it all depends on type of hunting there's a lot of guys using lower powered scope most of them out further then i am.
i have a tikka so i was happy to put extra weight on it and step up from the 3-9x40 i had on it.
16 Sep 2015
@ 06:03 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Scope and turret questions
hi russell it was good to catch up with you and talk guns and hunting.
i got few ideas i thought i would mention and maybe some more experience guys could comment.
for the other guys russell is currently running a ruger hawkeye laminated stock in 6.5x55 with a bushnell elite 3200 3-9x40 in cantered rings on it.
the bushnell's you can reset the zero once you sight them in so they a semi easy to dial up.
you'll find the bushnell are not true moa (4 clicks do not equal one inch etc) so you will have to work out what your one is then set your drop chart from that, i believe Nathan will cover some of that in his new book

if you decide to keep scope for now it means you can use your budget on other things.
step 1 get Nathans accurizing book.
step 2 check lugs and bed rifle while still shooting factory ammo so your not playing with to many variables.
step 3 get Nathans reloading book
step 4 contact reloaders supplies and get yourself set up for reloading.
like i say just my line of thinking to get your rifle really shooting
 

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