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Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD

16 Mar 2020
@ 05:02 pm (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico


I need another scope to install on a new build, light, 7mm Practical built on a Winchester Model 70 Classic. I want this rifle for hiking in some distance into the mesas and mountains with the ability to shoot at some distance, possibly cross-canyon. Probably about 8.5 pounds with scope and bedding.

I have several SIII 6-24x50 scopes on other rifles, but was considering the SIII 3.5-10x44 for this rifle, but it seems to me I would be giving up a lot of capability just to save 3.5 ounces in weight.

Any thoughts on why the 3.5-10x44 would be better for my application (other than cost)?


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17 Mar 2020
@ 07:27 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Hi John, yes its a tough call. I have been trying to convice Sightron to use the 3-16 S-Tac as a base design for a 16 power SIII but its taking some 'nagging'.

I was doing dog tuckers a few days ago, goats at 500 to 530 yards. Steph called 520 on one goat so I dialed up and got to work. The ranges changed as the animals moved but knowing the Practical, I really only needed a base setting, then aim with a wee bit of hold under for my first shot, neck shot second shot, neck shot third shot, body shot fourth shot, job done. The Practical is a very able cartridge. But I was using a 24 power which let me hone right in for the neck shots and the wind was in my favor so no major wind calls. I don't generally advise neck shots at this range, most folk are not able to practice enough to utilize this. Mentioning this here it is not really good leadership by example, especially when Mike is dispensing common sense advice on another thread regarding the 3" rule. That aside, with the 10 power, I cannot take any trick shots like this at longer ranges. It can shut you down a bit. It really depends on how you want to use the rifle, how far you want to push it.

I suppose one thing you could do, is try one of your existing rifles at 10x, see how you get on shooting targets out long. The 3.5-10 is a very able optic, fairly straight forwards to use at 600 yards but you may find that it gets a bit trickier to use at and beyond 700 yards if you do not practice with it regularly.

Sightron do have a 16x, but it the parallax ring is at the front and the turrets are 1/8 clicks. The scope is now also made in the Philippines rather than Japan. I have used thee original Japanese scope out to and beyond 1000 yards and its OK, but I would prefer to see the 3-16 S-TAC redesigned.
17 Mar 2020
@ 07:47 am (GMT)

Magnus Vassbotn

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
How about the new Vortex Razor LHT 3-15x42? I'm probably getting one for just such hunting, unless it gets bad reviews. It ticks all the boxes. 30 mm tube, nice reticle (moa or mil), fine and illuminated, weighs 19 ounces. Any views on this?

https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-razor-hd-lht-3-15x42-riflescope.html?vortex_reticle=18351
17 Mar 2020
@ 08:38 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Vortex had a great many returns last year. The scopes are priced the same as a Japanese scope but are not manufactured in Japan, although the parts come from Japan.

The Japanese take their work seriously. Spend a few months or years training in any Japanese martial arts system and you soon get an inkling for their ethos, it permeates everything they do, for better and sometimes for worse. I prefer to see a Japanese scope finished in Japan rather than shipped elsewhere. I think this is why Bob has been so enamored with the quality of his Tract optics - small product line, start to finish Japanese build, highest quality.

I cannot say whether Vortex will improve or not. A run of failures can signal good changes resulting in an immensely robust product. On the other hand, such companies are run by shareholders not hunters. There may be an acceptable limit of failure that they could care less about, seeing no need to improve. I don't have any answers and can merely only rely on discussions I have had with retailers willing to open up and relay stats to me. As far as I am concerned, its a wait and see game.

17 Mar 2020
@ 08:51 am (GMT)

Magnus Vassbotn

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Thanks, that's very usefull info. Will see how it turns out after it's been on the market for a while.
17 Mar 2020
@ 09:15 am (GMT)

Michael Henderson

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Hi guys,

What’s y’all’s thoughts on the S-TAC 4-20x50? I see it’s on sale at OpticPlanet for $400.
17 Mar 2020
@ 09:24 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Hi Michael, that is the optic I have on my .308 hack rifle (see recent video on youtube). This scope is also used in our M700 trouble shooting video (Vimeo rental).

In essence, it is made from Japanese parts and assembled in the Philippines, hence the low price point. I am always dubious of this but have been using and abusing this scope for a couple of years now. I would describe my usage as harsh.

Statistically, the return rate for this model has been extremely low, surprising even Sightron. It has proven to be a very good scope.
17 Mar 2020
@ 01:35 pm (GMT)

Hamish Gibbs

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Nathan is there any idea when this nagging may come to fruition? I have been waiting patiently for a fix on the 3-16 ret for 2ish years now and am starting to look at what other options are out there without forking out for an nx8. Was out with the MOA in light scrub, full daylight the other day, it was a struggle and I can't see my eyesight improving any time soon. As I understand it you've mentioned that the 4-20 is better and someone on here has kindly posted the sizes, but in real world terms how much more usable is it? I had a look at the duplex ret sizes but from what I gather they were also quite fine? I can be patient if I know there's definitely something in the works.
Cheers.
18 Mar 2020
@ 06:49 am (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD

Well, let me tell you what I am trying to do on scopes here with this plethora of rifles.

Magnums: Sightron SIII SS 6-24 x 50 MOA with Mil-Dot reticles

Non-Magnum Calibers: Sightron S-TAC 4-20 x 50 with MOA-2 reticles

Other Non-Magnums, wood-stocked: Sightron 2-10 x 32 with Duplex Reticles

All of these are 30mm diameter scopes so I can move the SIII scopes around to the non-Magnums without worrying about changing and aligning mounts. Mostly though, I don't move scopes. I like them to mate for life to the rifle they fancy first.

I have a variety of 1" diameter scopes that live on quasi-collector rifles such as pre-64 Winchester Model 70s. For these, on eBay, I seek out the shiny black Leupold Vari-X scopes which are sharp optics, and look sharp and retro.

Its funny, but we think of firearms as holding their value well, but quality optics, Japanese, German and Leupold, are MUCH more salable and they're easier to store. Quick money if you need it -- no paperwork.

I started this thread because I am looking for a lighter scope with the quality and capabilites of the SIII SS 6-24x50 without spending more than I pay for the Sightrons. I want it for a lightweight Winchester M70 in 300 WSM and for this lightweight Winchester M70 in 7mm Practical. (by lightweight I mean not exceeding 9 lbs)

I need these for hike-in mountain rifles.
18 Mar 2020
@ 07:20 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Hi Hamish, no idea of if or when it may come to fruition. Everything has to go through a board.

Probably best if I try to get some low light pics of the 4-20 for you. It does have its limits but is in no way as bad as the 3-16. Too late / too light in the morning now. Will see what I can do.
21 Mar 2020
@ 10:19 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Here you go Hamish:
21 Mar 2020
@ 12:00 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
Try that again:

https://youtu.be/_eZn7m8vfVo
21 Mar 2020
@ 12:37 pm (GMT)

Hamish Gibbs

Re: Sightron SIIISS3510X44LRMD vs SIIISS624X50LRMD
That was great thanks Nathan, sure are adding to your great informative content library with these short little vids. Ive seen you mention the S-Tac 4-20 as a great little hack scope and now I see how that could fit in for myself, a great scope for local use when theres no pressure but not quite what I'm after for a public land backpack trip when the chance for an animal is more likely to happen in not such ideal light conditions.
Not sure manufacturers are going to be rushing to release new products with the current outlook but I'll still sit on my hands and hope for an SIII in that intermediate power range with Mil dot/capped turrets.
Have the SIII 6x24 and love it but no matter what aspirations I have to be a capable long range hunter, seem to find myself stumbling around in the tight shit thus the wish to have some versatility.
Maybe somebody at sightron will be sitting at home self quaranteened and feeling a bit bored so may feel inclined to explain the "exact tract" to us without giving to much away to the knockoff artists?

You have convinced me to work out Youtube, Ballistic Studies will be my first subscription.
Cheers.
 

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