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Dealing with dissent

28 Sep 2016
@ 09:59 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

How do you lot deal with blokes that want to tell you that you're shooting wrong?

Like Patrik's post "Hold that Forend" it works... Surely others can see the results but still want to say you're doing it wrong?

I notice that just about every shooting image about target or long range shooting has a guy with a bipod and both arms down the butt of the stock.

Surely the results speak for themselves right?

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28 Sep 2016
@ 10:55 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Dealing with dissent
I don't deal with it. I have learned to simply move on. People either want to learn or they don't. Methods can be proven on target. Hence why I gave tests in the Shooting book. The tests given were not exactly rocket science. I gave an example of a cheap model rifle and brand of ammo that could be tested with a variety of holds. The rifle either groups or it doesn't, anybody can test this for themselves, its very basic physics. Most guys using modern methods cannot pass this test, not even close, even with many years experience behind them. They can only shoot well under certain conditions / heavy barrel / low recoil cartridges or recoil reducers. By the same token, I have readers who are new to this sport who are experiencing great results, shooting perhaps around 300% better than those who should in theory be far more experienced. Things really fall over when a guy who has only ever shot tactical rifles, starts to brow beat a guy shooting a regular rifle and also / especially a light weight mountain magnum rifle. As I have said time and again, we need TRANSFERABLE skills.


Its like I said in the book, its up to you, stick with the sheep or be the best you can be. It is quite amazing how folk set limitations on themselves. As if to say- "Would you like to happy and fulfilled" to the reply "Hell no, I have been unhappy for a long time now and its working just fine".

It really is quite simple.
28 Sep 2016
@ 11:08 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Dealing with dissent
That's pretty straight up and down :D

I'm really quite glad I stumbled on your website Nathan. I feel like I can walk onto a range and develop the skills you've shared.

I haven't shot in a good while as you all may have guessed. But asking questions here doesn't make me feel like an idiot, even though I don't mind being called out when I am.

Cheers man.
29 Sep 2016
@ 04:02 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Dealing with dissent
Let them cross their arms and pray to the hope I hit it godz! What happens when you hold the garden hose at rifle length from the end and turn it on? The tip of the hose squirts water everywhere and you have no control over the direction of the jet of water. If the one thing worse than good advice. Is not listening to it. Then the opposite of it must be believing that bad advice is to be blindly followed to the word? The problem is that because you can't do what you don't know! If you're shown the wrong way to do something believing that it's the correct way. You're screwed....... so you can end up with people who will chew chewing gum to try and solve an algebra equation. The only thing that bothers me with This crossed limbed shooting religious practice is the unnecessary suffering from poor shots wounding animals that didn't ask to be shot at. Andrew i guess that your best reply is to say " I don't tell you how to shoot so please give me the same respect and by the way here are my .3 inch target groups, Would you like to have a go with my rifle and do better.?
Let them eat cake.......
29 Sep 2016
@ 02:48 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Dealing with dissent
Andrew - the answer that I use is simple, non-confrontational, and applicable in most cases of a sexual intellectual (f'ing know-it-all) preaching to me. Look them straight in the face and say Really? I didn't know that. Works every time.
29 Sep 2016
@ 06:38 pm (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: Dealing with dissent
Paul we do something very similar but use a drawn out "thats nice"
you need to watch Agnes Brown to see how it works ( mrs browns boys) I used it on boss at work for 6 months before he twigged to what was going on, the Irish lads we work with were nearly falling out of trucks with laughter.
29 Sep 2016
@ 07:41 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Dealing with dissent
You got it right Mike.... Mrs Brown knows how to sort the wheat from the chaff for sure.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JddNDtC-Yrs
29 Sep 2016
@ 11:07 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Dealing with dissent
Quote:
You got it right Mike.... Mrs Brown knows how to sort the wheat from the chaff for sure.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JddNDtC-Yrs


That had me laughing out loud for real.
30 Sep 2016
@ 12:31 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Dealing with dissent
Too funny and delivered perfectly. The art of comedy at it's finest.


I believe we will see a lot more of "That's nice." here, as we are all so eloquent and polite. I'll go first...........
30 Sep 2016
@ 01:09 am (GMT)

Lane Salvato

Re: Dealing with dissent
I'm nearly 50, so I worry very little about arguing with folks, especially online. Did it once and accomplished nothing but making an ass of myself.

I like this forum because it's smaller, relatively speaking, and an international crowd. It's good to learn what's done in other places, especially in countries where culling is required on a large scale. Those fellows have a lot more experience downing game than the rest of us. There is also the added benefit of trying to figure out the English slang that is used between New Zealand, Australia, The US, and the UK!

I just know that if you use an iPhone for dope calculations during a pig hunt when evaluating DRT Ammo, it's a "balls up"! Ha Ha!
30 Sep 2016
@ 04:20 am (GMT)

mark whiteley

Re: Dealing with dissent
very good advice given here Andrew, deal with armchair experts by not dealing with them with one liners as your walking away are always good. sometimes it is good advice being offered and it is easy to see it by looking at who ever's targets and see there groups, if they are as big as a dinner plate tell them "thats nice" LOL and walk away. this subject is a pet hate of mine especially when it is directed to new shooters by plinkers who have no clue. I used to nearly cry when I would hear range officers give advise at the local range to new shooters who needed advise and expected the range officer to actually know something about shooting and firearm safety, the groups tell the truth and groups shot at 25m with a centrefire by the range officer don't count
regards mark
 

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