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.223 50grn barnes
@ 10:11 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisJust bought some projectiles and tried out first loaddata as follows..usual cations safe in mine not sure about yours,reduce n build up. G.I. brass win primer AR2206h powder 25.25 grns 50 grn TTSX first shot I called low next 3 felt fine result..under 1" at 100yards fired it into ring of blue gum they penetrated 3 1/2" into end grain and after cutting block into kindling the 4 recovered projectiles looked like an advert for Barnes...perfect 4 petaled mushrooms 5th load fired into milk bottles at 50 yards through 1ltr blowing 2" hole in back and splitting sides then into 2ltr blowing 3" inwards hole and shattering sides of bottle small out hole then went through 2 times 3ltr bottles just small holes in and out before exiting into ground (will find more bottles to find just how far these will go. thats nearly 12" of water so Im impressed..now to find a deer. |
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@ 10:56 am (GMT) |
Shawn BevinsRe: .223 50grn barnesFirst off, the 223 wouldn't my first choice to shoot deer. I have used the Barnes in my 223. On coyote, they pencil through. Did not try them on deer though. I dont need to harp on shot placement here but your margins for error are very small. Just my 2 cents.. |
@ 05:44 am (GMT) |
David BathRe: .223 50grn barnesInteresting stuff for sure. I have bought some gs custom hv 50gr for my 223. Yet to load, but hopefully they shoot well. |
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@ 03:55 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: .223 50grn barnesShawn..you are 100% correct but that still applies if using a .50 BMGI will be very cautious and only shoot if sure of quick kill. a coyote is similar in size and body make up to the wallabies we shoot down here and Ive shot hundreds of them with the .223 and wouldnt think of using a Barnes bullet for them at over $1 a pop......hornady 50 grn SPSX worked magic but not if you were looking to eat animal afterwards..big jellied bruise area but sure put them down quick. the norinco loads Nathan talks about in the K.B. worked great on them (broke in my barrel with 100 rounds of it) |
@ 04:50 am (GMT) |
deerndingoRe: .223 50grn barnesThe Barnes is a good pill, but I still ask the critical question If you were going in front of a firing squad would you want be shot by a small calibre low energy pill or a big one. The animals we shoot don't get to ask and in all fairness to them we have to. For my part I use a 7mm RM with 162 gr pills. And I use it on probably that same size deer you are talking about. I'd say, given the choice they'd rather not be shot at all, but here they are feral. If I hit ém they stay put - dead - fast. |
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@ 11:17 am (GMT) |
Shawn BevinsRe: .223 50grn barnesNathan has quite a bit of info on the 223 in the knowledge base. I have used the 223 to take deer. Strictly for CNS shots an under 100 meters. Just too many variables to have 100 percent confidence.. please take pictures if you use the Barnes bullets on deer. |
@ 03:32 pm (GMT) |
Jim MoseleyRe: .223 50grn barnesTake a look at this new ammo at www.drtammo.com . My surgeon who did my knee replacement told me about using it in is his AR-15 for deer. He uses the 55 gr bullet. Highly effective out to 200 yds on whitetails. He did autopsies and said there is no way of survival if hit by one of these rounds. The bullet has a compressed "metal powder" core! Amazing how technology is changing bullet construction. I have the 150gr loaded in my .45 acp. |
@ 04:20 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: .223 50grn barnesThat is fascinating Jim, thanks for sharing. Back in 2008, I had a couple of regular clients- father and son. The father was a rifle collector, the son was at University working on a metallurgy degree. The son wanted to produce the very bullets now present on DRT. He spent a great deal of time asking me about bullet designs and so forth- as you can imagine of any young fellow. Steel was the big cheese, not so much for environmental reasons but cost. A bit later I was asked to visit and overlook a NZ ammo maker's operations and similar discussions came up, the need to move towards steel for costs / available resources etc. |
@ 05:06 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: .223 50grn barnesG'dayVery interesting! I wonder about eating the meat! I'm always concerned about swallowing a bit of lead. But I haven't read through the web site yet. Maybe they could fill the projectile up with salt & pepper? ha ha Bob |
@ 07:05 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: .223 50grn barnesHi Jim,Have you thought of giving the DRT 200 grain 30's a try? Would be great to see how they fly and their terminal performance! As you said "Amazing how technology is changing bullet construction", would be interesting if they made a high BC 30. l didn't see a bc listing on their site. Cheers Marty |
@ 07:59 pm (GMT) |
Mike NeesonRe: .223 50grn barnesDRT .223 55grain Vs whitetail autopsy on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19RZY5AgMA |
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@ 08:10 pm (GMT) |
Mike NeesonRe: .223 50grn barnesAnother one on DRT. Testing .223, 9mm and 308 in ballistic gel. Designer (salesman?) states that they prefer testing on hunting than gel because it is a poor indicator of real terminal performance. Just wondering what the powder would do to the meat and whether it's safe to eat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAq-d8L1JHQ |
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@ 09:59 pm (GMT) |
Jim MoseleyRe: .223 50grn barnesMarty,I shoot a .223, 243, and the 7 mag. No 30's in my arsenal. I don't think they make a 6 or 7 mm. I am going to call them to see if my AR with a 24"/9 twist will really stabilize the 79 gr bullet. I'd like to try that on a deer at longer ranges to see the results. I love my Amaxes, so they would have to have a high BC 7mm for me to change. The video that Mike posted is impressive. I don't think I would worry either about the metal in the meat if shot placement is correct. |
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@ 10:50 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: .223 50grn barnesIt will be iron powder for density / weight. About as dangerous as eating a sandwich at the beach.Good for vegans with low blood iron. That could be a new avenue for me, guided vegetable hunting with iron rich bullets. Additional copper to reduce fungal infections. |
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@ 10:55 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: .223 50grn barnesHey Nathan!!!Don't tell me your a vegetarian???? Cheers Bob |
@ 11:11 pm (GMT) |
jason brownRe: .223 50grn barnesjim, try the 75gr amax.I use the 80gr amax in a 8 twist, I was not so sure they would hold up at close range, but iv taken three goats at about 100 yards and im confident to shoot a fallow deer now. even at extended ranges within reason. after trying a few projectiles it seems our local goats are tougher than the fallow deer. the 65gr game king I found too hard! hardly any expansion at close range poor performance. |
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@ 12:24 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: .223 50grn barnesNot bloody likely. Venison for tea tonight! |
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@ 12:39 am (GMT) |
Mike NeesonRe: .223 50grn barnesNothing like a little vego bashing hahaha. |
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@ 01:09 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: .223 50grn barnesWell, we need to find somebody who has access to these with a suitable 30 then!!!On their site and on youtube they state the AR's with 1:9 will work with the 79gr, if that helps! Would like to see the results of some extended ranges also, rather than 100 yards or so. Be interesting keeping an eye on these! |
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@ 05:05 pm (GMT) |
Shawn BevinsRe: .223 50grn barnesI may order a bunch of 55 gr projectiles from DRT. It will be a while before I can use them on any live animals. I was looking through the reloading data on the DRT site and saw powders used for the 223 that I normally don't use. The velocities listed were low IMO. I would like to try H335 or Varget my two go to powders for my 223. Any thoughts on working up loads for these? Will we need to back them off the lands like the Barnes bullets? |
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@ 05:05 pm (GMT) |
Shawn BevinsRe: .223 50grn barnesI may order a bunch of 55 gr projectiles from DRT. It will be a while before I can use them on any live animals. I was looking through the reloading data on the DRT site and saw powders used for the 223 that I normally don't use. The velocities listed were low IMO. I would like to try H335 or Varget my two go to powders for my 223. Any thoughts on working up loads for these? Will we need to back them off the lands like the Barnes bullets? |
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@ 12:04 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: .223 50grn barnesa couple of small pigs and a yearling red have fallen to these since posting last, deer went down after about ten steps and half of those were backwards. shoulder shot at 125ish yards...bullet damage was opposite to usual with .270 eg small inhole then big damage to nearside shoulder internals a mess with good 1-2" holes through lungs, small damage to off side shoulder before small exit hole..we ate right up to both bullet holes.I wont hesitate to use these on deer again |
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@ 01:26 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: .223 50grn barnesQuote: Nathan has quite a bit of info on the 223 in the knowledge base. I have used the 223 to take deer. Strictly for CNS shots an under 100 meters. Just too many variables to have 100 percent confidence.. please take pictures if you use the Barnes bullets on deer.
photos sent to Nathan from the hind and an earlier pig...quality not the best but showed whats what. |
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