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Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?
@ 04:06 pm (GMT) |
AprioriHi All,Just curious if anyone has experience with the 110 gn Barnes TSX in a 7mm08 using a charge of AR2208 ? Due to the component shortage, I am finding it extremely difficult to get my preferred 139gn SST's - and these light Barnes seem to be about the last projectile available to buy locally. I am considering trying them in my Tikka, ONLY meat hunting Fallow (no large boars or larger deer) and it will be STRICTLY at short range where velocity is highest - ie DEFINITELY UNDER 200 yards. Most of my fallow are taken at ~100 yards. I'm presuming these projectiles will be acceptable but not ideal - providing I do my part, but just want to check they are NOT going to perform like varmint projectiles. I want ethical kills with sound shot placement, not game escaping with hideous wounds to suffer needlessly. Thanks for any thoughts. AP |
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@ 04:13 pm (GMT) |
AprioriRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow?OOPS !They are 110 gn X 7MM Barnes TTSX's and not TSX's. According to the Barnes load data (https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/7mm-08RemingtonV10.pdf) Starting load - 41.0gn Varget - 2906 fps Max load - (compressed load) 45.6gn Varget - 3196 fps Data generated from a 24" barrel. So if my Tikka were able to - safely - digest the same loads - with her 22" barrel, 1:9.5 twist, probably will generate MV between 2850 fps - 3100 fps (realistically NOT pushing hot charges, so lets guesstimate MV ~2900 - 2950 fps. Whilst I understand that there are strict conditions under which to use Barnes & similar type projectiles can be used humanely, at under 200 yards, I reckon a well placed 110 gn TTSX from my 7mm08 will be a lot more humane than throwing rocks or using harsh language. However, my ability to curse has made sailors blush, and I am reliably informed my "dad jokes" are horrendous, so maybe a fallow could/would die of embarrassment. Cheers, AP |
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@ 12:17 pm (GMT) |
AprioriRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?Guessing that either no-one shoots such light projectiles in their 7mm08's or maybe was it the copper projectile aspect? No drama either way - I'm going to assume the results will be very close to using my 26" barrelled varmint rifle in 243. There is so little between the two calibres, other than the 243 varmint rig being about 12 lbs heavier than my 7mm08 T3x. I'd have absolutely zero hesitation using my 243 for fallow in the same ranges, so a 7mm 110gn TTSX at short range should work just as well. I'll report back how I go. Cheers to all, AP |
@ 03:57 pm (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?Apiori,I guided a lot of Fallow Deer and Axis Deer so although I'm not Nathan I'm likely better than average at answering this. If you shoot the deer in the big shoulder bones at that distance it can work with the TSX or TTSX. HOWEVER....they tend to run with those projectiles because they drill through if you miss the shoulders or bounce unreliably sometimes if you do hit the shoulders. and can easily hide in thick stuff if you don't anchor them. So if you have standard cup and core bullets in your 243 I'd recommend them with the front of the shoulder/base of the neck shot, or even the American behind the shoulder shot. I've seen them dropped many times with both. Can you get Nosler Partitions or Nosler Ballistic tips in either caliber? If you can get the old Speer Hotcor they can work too. The 7 mm is going to be more forgiving than the 243 but avoid the solid copper if you can. That's my experience. I claim no expertise in understanding ballistics I just know what drops them. Good luck in your hunt. |
@ 05:30 pm (GMT) |
VinceRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?Hi Apriori,I have a friend who tried Barnes 130 gr TTSX in his 308, he found them a bit fussy to load with but reasonably effective. His advice for light weight game was load for speed and aim for bone. Cheers Vince |
@ 12:17 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?well I dont own a 7mm/08 BUT have used the 110grn tsx in the mighty .270 winchester.....that is one of if not the best of the monos for that calibre...there is one other thats about 90grns?? that is good too......all monos are not created equal...and it seems quality control may be slipping and even batches of same are not equal anymore. my findings with less than half dozen kills they work fine...but not any better than std cup n core would do,meat damage is less.... hit bone in chest shots and they work well. death isnt quite as quick as cup n core unless you strike nerve bits... had bangflop at bush range with forward angling chest shot both with 270 and the 223 go ahead and use them but always try to "take out them front wheels" so animal is anchored on the spot. |
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@ 07:19 am (GMT) |
Lane SalvatoRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?OK this can of worms is open and they're just crawling around so I'm going to weigh on on my experience with copper AGAIN. I have seen animals run and hide almost 100% of the time when using solid copper bullets in calibers ranging from 243 to 300 Win. Mag.I watched a guy shoot a Barasingha bull with a 300 Win. Mag. using solid copper and it ran over 300 yards before finally being shot again by me with my 270 and a Winchester Power Point Wal-Mart bullet. I've seen Barasingha Deer dropped in their tracks at 200 yards with a 270 and soft Federal factory cup and core bullets. I've seen Axis Deer run off and hide and never be found after being hit with solid copper out of a 7 mm Win. Mag. I've seen Blackbuck Antelope hit with 7 mm Win. Mag. with solid copper bullets, hit the ground, get up, run away and never be seen again. My experience over a 20 year period of guiding is that they are unreliable. My thinking only represents me, but I can't understand why anyone would use them. |
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@ 07:46 pm (GMT) |
VinceRe: Component shortage - Are 110gn TSX Barnes "acceptable" for Fallow ?Hi APNot sure where you are based but if NZ then https://www.outdoorsupplies.co.nz/projectiles2.htm#sst these peeps seem to have them Cheers Vince |
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