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10 Jun 2017
@ 07:35 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Hi guys I finally got my new rifle Remington 700 in 7mm rem mag had some issues finding one as the importer had none in stock finally found one
1st mistake I got it threaded before trying it
2nd mistake I stabilized and bedded it before testing it
when first firing it i found it to be a heavy fouler so contacted Nathan for advice and decided to send it up to him to sort the bore for me but due to the bedding not being right he couldn't get suitable grouping to be happy due to my finances and Nathans workload we decided to send it back to me I had also told him I wanted to put a better stock on it but was wanting to wait a while I managed to get A precision platform laminate stock 2nd these stocks were only 2nds due to them not being happy with there pillars Nathan said to pillar bed it straight away so I ordered a bedding kit and spent the day making some pillars and setting the stock up bedded it and waited the long 48 hours to pull the action only to find I had caught a peace of tape on the tang pillar and the job was a bust its amazing how fast the wife worked out that i wasn't happy with the job, So as Nathan says suck it up and start again so out with the dia grinder and prep it again made some new pillars and epoxied them in place and bedded it again waiting another long 48 hours pulled the action today and to my relief it looked good except for a couple of blemishes from a couple of air bubbles I tidied it up and did the 1 oclock test and its all good so it looks like 3rd time lucky



hopfully get to the range soon and try it again

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12 Jun 2017
@ 05:46 pm (GMT)

Jon Short

Re: new rifle
Nice job Brendan... I had to re-do my first bedding job so you wouldn't be the first! Sexy looking rig. Envious!

Cheers,

Jon
13 Jun 2017
@ 03:51 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: new rifle
I agree with Jon. Very good stock for a fine looking hunting rifle. Be certain to post what you find at the rifle range.
13 Jun 2017
@ 12:35 pm (GMT)

Clive Judd

Re: new rifle
Nice work Brendon, well done - great looking and practical set up, looking forward to you're results.
14 Jun 2017
@ 08:23 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: new rifle
Nice job Brendon. The Precision Platforms stock and your bedding look great. If you can, bin that trigger and fit a new one as this will be a limiting factor when testing from here on. If you cannot afford this, the one saving grace is that the stock has enough meat in it to prevent excessive movement as the shot breaks, but you will need to be on the ball and maintain optimum form while focusing on follow through.

I am still unclear as to how far along the barrel is so we will just have to wait and see. The fouling certainly dropped when it came up for its 'sleep over' here. But I am not sure if its all the way there yet.

You have done really well to follow this through.
14 Jun 2017
@ 08:49 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: new rifle
Looks like persistence has paid off, you have done some neat work there Brendon, well done!

The guys at Precision Platforms are sending over the same stock for my new build and looking at yours makes me think l had better hurry up and get my 6.5mm TF barrel fitted pronto........
Will being running the same S-Tac optic as well.

With the fouling, my Remington 300wm is the heaviest fouler l own by far and also button hole accurate. So work through the steps that Nathan has started for you and it should hopefully be a shooter.
20 Jun 2017
@ 08:18 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
Just a quick update finally got to the range today and tryed a few loads only fired 2 rounds at each load and went up in 0.5 increments to what Nathan recommend to me getting a couple of 1/2 inch groups I were also fire forming the cases as well by the time I got up to about 8 rounds I started to realize how thin the recoil pad was so have ordered a new one for it and will do some more once it's fitted
21 Jun 2017
@ 08:12 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: new rifle
Sounds good, very good. Just to reiterate Brendon, the trigger will be the key to felt recoil, even if it seems otherwise. This combined with simply getting to know the new rifle. We have been testing this stock in .338 Edge unbraked without recoil pad issues. I also created some slow motion footage of this which we uploaded to Youtube but have since had to take this down as Precision Platforms are set to launch further products which has immediately outdated the vid.

21 Jun 2017
@ 08:34 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: new rifle
Once you get some basic loads running Brendon, come up for a visit. We can go to the range and see if there is anything to iron out. Will be nice to finish off this way.
21 Jun 2017
@ 09:28 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: new rifle
Recoil Pads.........don't waste to much time or money on them. You have a solid rifle with excellent stock shape in a mild recoiling calibre, put your money into the trigger unit as Nathan says.
Technique is the answer, sling wraps etc. don't add on more gimmicks to hide other flaws.

I say that because we have tried them back to back on multiple rifles/calibres including T3's & Howa's. l have taken the very expensive aftermarket soft recoil-absorbing pads and thrown them to the shithouse, they simply allow to much uncontrolled movement during recoil.
Anyone that has used a Boyd's stock will know how solid their pads are and these are still on many of our rifles including my young sons 06 & my 9.3mm.
22 Jun 2017
@ 10:37 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: new rifle
Just an update regarding emails back and forwards to Brendon. He states that he has had a shoulder injury and had screws put in his shoulder (2015).

Such a thing would take a good two years to obtain some form of equilibrium and generally there will be a neural muscular reaction. The brain has been trained to protect the area that has been damaged. The message from the brain to the nerves is simply- I can't do this. The brain and nerves are in this case now wired for caution. So you have to re-educate the nerves as much as the muscles to achieve your goals. This has to be done in an incremental manner so as not to exacerbate any physical injury. As an example, a light recoiling load (eg Trail Boss or .243 rifle) introduces the brain and nerves to the basic movement and idea of recoil and if all goes well, the brain and nerves will back off from being so hyper-vigilant and allow us to get on with the task we are trying to perform.

This neuro muscular retraining takes time. The body needs to learn what it can and can't do and all going well, build new "its OK" neural pathways.

It is very interesting to observe this nerve process as isolated in a physio environment. We tend to think that we are building muscle during activity when this is only a part of the equation. It takes just as much time to build new neural pathways. We can be immensely strong in one area but the brain simply says no to another area. And often, we are completely oblivious to this.

But in addition to this, If we are dealing with a shoulder injury, we need to make sure that the recoil pad is firmly (but not 'braced for danger') in contact with the shoulder. This ensures that we are moving with the rifle rather than being hit by the rifle. The shooting book goes into more detail on thius subject.

With or without a shoulder injury, we may still find ourselves playing the actual (physical) recoil versus perceived (nervous reflex) recoil game. One of the problems I see with upcoming generations is that many have no yardstick for physical capacity, basically no understanding of the self at multiple levels.

22 Jun 2017
@ 01:07 pm (GMT)

mark whiteley

Re: new rifle
Hi Brendon

I suffer from bad shoulders from an industrial accident many years ago
the boyds recoil pad is just about non existent and is not a good one
I use 1" decelorator pads that cost me $50 fitted when I buy a stock
from richards microfit, very good stocks and pads by the way
in really big kickers like the 375 H&H I install "the Edwards max recoil reducers"
they work very well and tame the recoil down
http://www.edwardsrecoilreducer.com/product
if recoil is a problem don't put up with it there are many things that can help tame it and a light trigger on a thumper is also a good idea
you dont want flinch
regards Mark
22 Jun 2017
@ 07:14 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
As Nathan has said I have a few screws in my shoulder and if you talk to my Mrs some loose ones in my head I have spent most of my life working with horses and like most people who are getting older a few aches and pains but that's life.I'm not one to give up and are hopping a different recoil pad will help to spreed the load a bit as unfortunately the butt sits perfectly on the scar from my surgery Nathan has also suggested to fire a few shots then go down in caliber to try and trick the brain hopefully this will work I were ok with the 7mm recoil until the round count came up I am also going to go and spend a range day with Nathan as I am sure I have some bad habits that have formed over the years
23 Jun 2017
@ 09:47 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: new rifle
A little more info highlights some things hey.
You could try a shoulder pad Brendon like the shotgun guys wear, they're ready available and designed to spread the load as you want. And then there is the brake you have already had fitted whilst you find what works.

My comments above where not intended to mean that Boyd's make good recoil pads, my meaning is the opposite is worse.
A big 1" lump of soft jelly screwed on the back of your rifle is the last thing you want for control/accuracy. With a super soft pad you are allowing the rifle to free recoil for half an inch or more as the pads compresses, which you will have marginally limited control of at best. The pad l have mentioned is also a Decelerator, T3 Pre-fit which is lots softer than the decelerators fitted to say a B&C stock.

I also have some medical stuff going on (which l will not go into here) and the softer pad made things ridiculously more difficult and almost impossible. l even videoed the uncontrollable recoil but the movement is quiet fast and hard to capture properly on a cheap camera. The rifle momentum basically gets a free run, shortening scope relief, reducing grip and stuffing hold.

So again Technique, Technique, Technique & a solidly setup rig which you have.
25 Jun 2017
@ 08:43 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
Just an update I fitted a grind to fit Decelerator recoil pad to the stock grinding it on an angle so to leave the pad as wide as possible so to cover the biggest surface area as possible this has mad a big differance and stopped the point of pain I had the other day
http://s882.photobucket.com/user/brendongreig/media/Target%202_zpsdzwf8lbe.jpg.html?sort=6&o=3
25 Jun 2017
@ 08:44 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
http://s882.photobucket.com/user/brendongreig/library/
25 Jun 2017
@ 09:18 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
25 Jun 2017
@ 10:09 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: new rifle
Nice one Brendon. I hope you get the results you're looking for :)
26 Jun 2017
@ 12:48 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: new rifle
Good to hear its working Brendon. Yes, any pain is a major problem. Pain versus perceived recoil caused by other factors (e.g short eye relief scope) are two completely different factors, though each can compound the other.

Nearly there now.
27 Jun 2017
@ 08:26 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: new rifle
Hope that sorts things out Brendon and gets you out shooting comfortably!

The longer length of pull may also help with your pins, changing your shoulder position slightly. Will probably have to do the same on mine or make a spacer as its a little short but will test shoot it later in the week.

The ultra soft pad that l quoted earlier is actually a Limbsaver T3 Pre-Fit not a Decelerator so my apologizes. I have the same grind fit on most of my LR rigs.
28 Jun 2017
@ 06:25 am (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle
Hi Martin You will love the stock mine recoils straight back when shooting over the bags at the range with no muzzle jump at all totally different rifle to what is was in the factory stock had a mate there the other day shooting a 243 offered him a shot he was a little hesitatint when he got behind it due to the noise creating pesived recoil once he fired it he said how comfortable and controlable it was took a bit to get it back off of him
28 Jun 2017
@ 08:57 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: new rifle
Great stuff Brendon.

Bogged in the 270w donor action last night so we can test fire & workout my set up. It has a real sharp recoil in its original stock with the skinny barrel though it will shoot .5 moa with reasonably warm hunting loads.

Will be a great back to back comparison for my son to see, really highlighting the need for better stock design to him.
01 Jul 2017
@ 11:21 pm (GMT)

Ben Law

Re: new rifle
Interesting comments on the soft vs harder recoil pads Martin, i might put the original hard pad back on my t3 for comparison to the limbsaver although the limbsaver makes a big differece to how your shoulder feels after a session testing loads.
14 Aug 2017
@ 08:36 pm (GMT)

Brendon Greig

Re: new rifle


Finally an update on my new rifle due to work and weather it has been a slow process have had a few calls and emails to Nathan during this process.
I finally got to the Range to check some loads a few weeks ago and it looked like I were using buck shot so I said a few choice words and thought what did I cock up so home we went to recheck measurements ect realizing i had stuffed up my seating depth apparently it doesn't like a 5 thou jump not sure how I did that but as Nathan said to me we have all been there
So I loaded some more with 20 thou jump as it had already showed some promise at this I also did a few at 30 thou
The photo shows the results with 20 thou jump I pulled the 2nd shot so can ignore that and presume the barrel warming is the reason for shots 4,5,6 to be a little higher I only fired 2 shots at a time letting it cool between but it had warmed from a cold barrel there was another guy at the range who let me put a couple of rounds through his chrony and as Nathan predicted it was doing 3050 fps with 162 grain EDLM so im happy with that
15 Aug 2017
@ 12:42 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: new rifle
Nicely done indeed. My 7mm Rem Mag loves those same 162 grainers as well.
 

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