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Woodleigh protected point bullets
@ 03:04 am (GMT) |
Mike DeweyHello All, just got a box each of 9.3mm Woodleigh pp sn in 232 & 250 grain weights. Going to try them with the new IMR 4166 & 4451 powders. No load data as yet for 9.3x62 for these so starting with 338-06 low end loads and working up. Anyone have experience with these bullets. Original thought was to use them for mule/whitetail deer but guess I didn't realize pp meant protected point with only a tiny bit of lead showing. Wonder if they'll open up as claimed. Supposed to work from 2000 to 2700 fps, I expect to get maybe 2500 fps from my 19" barrel.BC for the 250 gr. is only .381 and no info at all about the 232 gr. on Woodleigh's web site so can't figure too much about speed at distance. I normally use Nosler 286 gr. partitions with a much higher BC and beat the heck out of the only other 250 gr. bullets (Hornady GMX) once past 200 yds. Any thoughts... |
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@ 05:10 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsHi MikeWoodleigh's are the most reliable pill I have used. Not as stylistically coefficient as some but they will open up more than double & stay together. I would use the 250gn in a 9.3x62 |
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@ 06:09 pm (GMT) |
Mike DeweyRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsThanks Bob, good to know. That holds true for the protected point bullets as well as the soft point round nose? |
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@ 08:41 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsMikeThe round nose open a bit quicker but still hold together, the Woodleigh round nose are a favorite of dangerous game hunters. With 250gn pills, IMR 4320 gives 2550fps. Let us know how the new powders go please. Cheers Bob |
@ 10:07 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsHi Mike, on light or lean game, the 9.3 PP can be a bit tough. It will open up as Bob suggests but kills can be delayed if you do not keep shots forwards. The further you shoot, the more the delay in killing on light framed game.The round nose does far better. Its BC is even lower but providing the range is kept moderate, this bullet does display greater energy transfer and faster killing. There is a definite and meaningful change in performance between the two (again seen at moderate ranges). To this end, the RN tends to be a good all rounder where a very wide range of game body weights are to be encountered. The 232gr solid needs to be driven as fast as you can manage. It is fully reliant on hydraulic forces in order to create disproportionate to caliber wounding. In any case, try to keep your shots well forwards. If you want a more forgiving bullet for snap shooting White Tail in the woods with room for error, try to locate some 232gr Norma Vulcan bullets or the 225gr RWS. |
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@ 10:56 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsLike Nathan said. The 9.3 works best on heavy solid animals that have the resistance to make the projectile work.My 358 win doesn't do much damage on fallow deer, you can eat the bullet hole, but hit a big stag! then you see some damage! |
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@ 03:31 am (GMT) |
Mike DeweyRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsThanks guys,Just about what I was thinking. The 232 gr. is a protected point as well, not a solid so was hoping it would open up. Will keep posted on the IMR 4166 & 4451 be nice if it worked as hyped. It's Canadian and we do tend to go on at times... |
@ 05:12 am (GMT) |
Jacob JensenRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsHi!As an allround bullet for 9.3x62 I found no one better than the 250gr Nosler Accubond. I have used it on wildboar weighing from 30 - 100kg with great result. The BC is very high for a 9.3 bullet (0.494). I loaded it with Norma 202 (58gr) and got approx. 800m/s (2620fps) out of a 20" barrel. The wounding is violent from close up to 150 meters - still very wide out to 250-300m ( I have knowledge of it used out to 400yards on plains games i Africa). At these ranges i guess shoulder shots are important... Just an alternative :-) J. |
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@ 08:20 pm (GMT) |
Mike DeweyRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsThanks Jacob, when I bought the rifle a year ago, I'd heard about the Nosler 250 gr. AB. But, can't find them and the Nosler site says they're currently not in stock. They and the Normas are just a myth as far as I'm concerned which is why I'm trying the (really expensive) Woodleighs. |
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@ 10:00 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsI do not know why but for some reason, the bullet selection for 9.3 is either heavy or core bonded. There are few basic light game bullets available for the the 9.3 now. As as you say Mike, its getting hard to find the likes of the Vulcan or RWS to the point that these do seem almost mythical.I have been quite annoyed that Hornady have discontinued their 225gr .375 cal spire point. Marty had made up a swaging die to take .375" pills down to 9.3 so that he could use this excellent bullet for plinking or light framed game. The next option is the 235gr Hotcor. This however has light bonding and a relatively heavy jacket. The Hornady 220gr FP is OK but it has to be driven quite fast. This is a good option for bush / woods work. When used in the actual 94 big bore at lower velocities, it is a very mild performer and not something to write home about. The 250gr Gameking is another option for swaging. Regarding the basic 9.3 cal 286gr Interlock, one of the problems with this is that it has a great deal of momentum versus a small frontal area. This can be quite problematic, producing slow kills on lean game. After a slow kill on lean game, the hunter may then decide that this bullet is best used for big game. So the hunter tries to tackle something very heavy, only to have the bullet arrest in an onside ball joint. Back to square one. The frontal area of this bullet can easily be altered with a file or disc, but its weight and muzzle velocities are not so easy to alter. What is it that makes the big AB's ok at mild ranges? Well, if you look into it more closely, you have a broad and deep hollow point combined with a relatively high BC so that impact velocities are kept high- at least for a short distance. But you can still get into (a lot of) trouble with this bullet on heavy game or if pushing out longer. The .375 260gr variant is highly problematic in this regard. If you have access to a light Woodleigh Weldcore, velocity will help a great deal. I have not seen a 232gr Weldcore here. The nearest is the 225gr .358 which is quite effective as it can be driven at decent speeds in the likes of the Whelen. This is a bullet Bob will be well familiar with (Bob NB; the .358 225gr Woodleigh whether RN or PP is more reliable than the 250-260gr AB range). I will need to have a look into the 9.3 232gr variant more, find out whether it is made for Canada only or whether it can be sourced on our local market. This may suit you just fine providing ranges are not too long. |
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@ 05:03 am (GMT) |
Mike DeweyRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsThanks for the info Nathan.It's maddening that different parts of the world have different access to components. Makes it tough to benefit from others experience. The 225 gr. .375 seem to be available here and I've considered swaging them down. Thought about a cut down 25-35 die for the first bit then on to a .222 for final. But if they're discontinued... Maybe it's back to using the PRVI Partizan 285 gr. round nose, they're soft and seem accurate enough at least out to 200 yds. Should hit like the hammer of Thor on deer. Cheap and readily available. Wonder about putting a small hollow in the 232 gr. Woodleigh pp's. Not any way to experiment with them here except on wet newspaper/grass clippings. Maybe try it. Have to load develop first though. Mike |
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@ 06:51 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Woodleigh protected point bulletsWoodleigh's don't need any mods |
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