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Cutting down .308 barrel
@ 10:49 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterNote to NZer's cutting down .308 barrels ultra short for bush work.This may surprise some of you but I have come across a wonderful invention. It is called the .30-30 Winchester, been around for a little while, might cover some of your needs. It is chambered in short, lightweight and very fast handling rifles. No more bloody emails about how to get the best performance out of a 14" barreled suppressed .308's please. Not my thing, I don't want to know, had enough. Butchering perfectly good rifles. |
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@ 09:47 pm (GMT) |
Dan KeeneRe: Cutting down .308 barrelAbsolutely! People are obsessed with sub sonic at the moment. I was asked for advice on loading 223 sub sonic. The guy got all offended when I said use a 22LR! |
@ 08:17 pm (GMT) |
RichardRe: Cutting down .308 barrelI laughed out loud as I read Nathan's post.What a hoot. Some of us are trying to squeeze the last bit of velocity out of our rigs and some are trying to downgrade perfectly fine rigs down to 30-30 and 22 LR velocities. Me, I've ended up with three rifles chambered in 257 Roberts and one in 308. In all three, I am glad for any velocity increase as long as my accuracy stays good. I must say that Winchester make a very nice 257 R rifle in the M70. I need to bed them, but haven't mustered the courage nor the time to do the job properly yet. I may eventually buy a 30-30. just because I like the look of the Winchester '94 rifle. Its as good a reason as any to spend money on a rifle that I do not need. My 257 Roberts can cleanly kill anything that I am likely to get a shot at and what the 257 Roberts cannot kill, my 308 should do the job nicely. Provided that I get the bullet in the right spot. Still chuckling about someone lopping off a 308 to 30-30 velocities....What a hoot! Richard |
@ 05:35 am (GMT) |
Im2lazyRe: Cutting down .308 barrelhahahahahatell 'em like it is |
@ 05:46 am (GMT) |
chris huntRe: Cutting down .308 barrelSo how fast does the 30-30 push a 130 grain pill ?looked on your knowledge base only list 150's at very slow fps.AND how long is that barrel ? struck a bit of a nerve with me reading this post when fellow KIWI"S need a hand you dont what to know about it or you dont have any knowledge on it that's OK. Just say so we can't know it all. But Maybe the amount of emails is getting to you ? Could of just posted : " You need to reload because a federal 150 grain blue box won't cut it H335 - 2206h powder is a good starter use there manuals for load Data and work up loads Run the expensive 110-130 ttsx bullets for maximum performance with a 16 inch tikka barrel you could achieve 3000fps with the 130ttsx A good all round bullet from zero to 350-400 yards " up to around 150 kg Animals cheers. I dont think that a short 308 is butchering the rifle it just makes it handy in the bush with a suppressor easy on one's ears and better if you are shooting over dogs. If its not your thing then maybe rename your site LONG RANGE TERMINAL BALLISTIC STUDIES.COM Not every Kiwi shoots goats/pigs over farm land at long range most of them get into DOC land and in the bush with there short 308's-7mm-08's and 243' etc Help out A fellow Kiwi hunter that's all I'm saying. |
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@ 04:34 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cutting down .308 barrelSome good points Chris.I was however talking about cutting down to 14". Please do not accuse me of solely hunting on farm lands. In order to be able to offer the information on this site, Steph and I have had to hunt the length and breadth of this country on a week to week basis. However, some of the heaviest bush I have encountered has been here in Taranaki, in the South Taranaki area. Test rifle barrel lengths typically ranged from 18" to 26". We never had the luxury of gortex either. Pack weight was 18kg for myself, 16kg for Steph. Steph usually hauled rifles weighing around 9 to 9.5lb, my test rifles could weigh up to 11lb. The lightest rifles (before the T3 hit the scene) were the M94, and Rossi 92 rifles. But generally, rifle weights were 9-11lb. If I wasn't packing in to a base camp, I would sometimes carry two rifles at once. Then I had to carry out two rifles and two animals. From my persepective, having started with the 25" barreled .303, then hunting with other typical rifles of the day before moving on to dedicated testing, I find it difficult to understand when a hunter complains that a 7lb Tikka is too heavy and bulky. But you are right, there is the potential to gain effective range over a .30-30 with a short .308, even at 14". If you think I am being too harsh, I can take that on board. My apologies. |
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@ 08:49 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cutting down .308 barrelOne of the more frustrating jobs of late:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sY6ouaKII&feature=youtu.be |
@ 10:52 pm (GMT) |
Allen MillerRe: Cutting down .308 barrelQuote: So how fast does the 30-30 push a 130 grain pill ?
looked on your knowledge base only list 150's at very slow fps.AND how long is that barrel ? struck a bit of a nerve with me reading this post when fellow KIWI"S need a hand you dont what to know about it or you dont have any knowledge on it that's OK. Just say so we can't know it all. But Maybe the amount of emails is getting to you ? Could of just posted : " You need to reload because a federal 150 grain blue box won't cut it H335 - 2206h powder is a good starter use there manuals for load Data and work up loads Run the expensive 110-130 ttsx bullets for maximum performance with a 16 inch tikka barrel you could achieve 3000fps with the 130ttsx A good all round bullet from zero to 350-400 yards " up to around 150 kg Animals cheers. I dont think that a short 308 is butchering the rifle it just makes it handy in the bush with a suppressor easy on one's ears and better if you are shooting over dogs. If its not your thing then maybe rename your site LONG RANGE TERMINAL BALLISTIC STUDIES.COM Not every Kiwi shoots goats/pigs over farm land at long range most of them get into DOC land and in the bush with there short 308's-7mm-08's and 243' etc Help out A fellow Kiwi hunter that's all I'm saying. Chris, you could always start your own website and call it SHORT TO MEDIUM RANGE BALLISTIC STUDIES.COM. |
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@ 12:20 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cutting down .308 barrelOnce I start uploading my medium bore research, it should help swing the site at least partially away from a long range bias. It has taken me so long to upload research and I have a real soft spot for many of the 'daylight makers'.It'll all work out.... |
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@ 12:30 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cutting down .308 barrelYou know, there is a website dedicated to this- Ballistics by the inch. Richard and his team have so far only worked with hand guns but no doubt they will work on rifles one day. Very time, labour and financially consuming research- not that my research has been any different. |
@ 01:39 am (GMT) |
jason brownRe: Cutting down .308 barreltheres one bit of chris's post that got to me" when fellow KIWI"S need a hand you dont what to know about it " well this whole, free! website says otherwise. how many others in n.z have opened up there knowledge like this.... Nathan has been the best money I have ever spent on a rifle hands down!(which has been bugger all) if I didn't know or understand what I do now, it would have cost me a whole lot more. thanks for the hand Nathan, theres always someone who was to have a little moan. |
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@ 03:02 am (GMT) |
chris huntRe: Cutting down .308 barrelJason that part of my post was Not referring to this site as it is Very good.It was more about the harshness of the first post made by Nathan that got me. No more bloody emails about how to get the best performance out of a 14" barreled suppressed .308's please. Not my thing, I don't want to know, had enough. Butchering perfectly good rifles. AS I own a short remington 308 that shoots well and has shoot alot of game out to 327y so far and steel to 600y I limit my game to 400y Any way Jason read nathans first post again to maybe see where I was coming from. It is good that Nathan has helped you In some way or another like he has done for me and a lot more shooters/Hunters around the globe. And I hope he continues ! |
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@ 04:39 am (GMT) |
jason brownRe: Cutting down .308 barreloh well,maybe he had a bad day, we all do.I had a bad day at my job today, its just not on the internet. maybe with your short .308 and experience with it you can add to the wound data base or questions that come up on the forum about them. |
@ 01:07 am (GMT) |
Matt ReidRe: Cutting down .308 barrelLove my 'short' 30-30. Although do have a .308 also with plenty of length in the barrel, best of both worlds...A vid from a couple years back, excuse the poor shooting form! Target at 100m. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlkmlNAUc8w |
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