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Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest

24 Jul 2018
@ 07:02 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

So this is a cross post if you will from the "How has the firearms industry got it so wrong?" Thread in the Rifles General Discussion forum.

You can see the start of it there, please contribute.

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25 Jul 2018
@ 03:00 am (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Andrew,

Perhaps we can consider the ongoing disaster/travails of SIGUSA and their SIG 320 and SIG365. These are handguns, so perhaps we want to discuss a longarm, such as the Remington 700 or the Winchester M70. Or whatever might illustrate the shortcomings or triumph of the capitalist system vis-a-vis the gun industry. Or some tits on a boar innovation such as muzzle brakes on a Daisy Red Rider.

My own opinion being that a greedy manufacturer in the firearms market perfectly meets the needs and desires of the the firearms community. I.e., every dollar spent is a vote and represents the perfect direct democracy.

Et tu, Andrew?
25 Jul 2018
@ 11:17 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
I cannot comment on SIG unfortunately John, I am completely unaware of the issues; I am based in Australia and pistol shooting is quite limited at best.

I think perhaps in the context of firearms a great example is something that was highlighted to me the other, close to home as well. Lithgow Arms carries a great deal of respect in Australia due to the long history of manufacturing our military's firearms. The association of course is that of Australian Defence Industries, which is now Thales (a French company). I imagine the USA has a similar thing with the Springfield Armory and the rifles like the M1917 and M1 Garand and other service weapons/cartridges. I digress a little though...

The point is that (modern) Lithgow rifles are not the same as the old Lee-Enfields or L1A1s (think the FN-FAL) nor the Bren guns of old. Even if their market price point would suggest they are a premium rifle. That said ADI make excellent propellants.

Now compare to my Howa, a budget rifle with a military history they don't rely on as much for marketing (they made rifles and machined parts and equipment for the Japanese Army during WW2 and nearly went broke after the war but survived).

The budget rifle, marketed as such has a market reputation much lower than that of other companies but is arguably of better design, even if the finish is not.

What is my point? That the market is often flooded with ideas and misconceptions specifically designed to drive dollar votes into the pockets of the ones with biggest pockets to begin with. Take Sako for example, built on a reputation of excellence but now being driven by Beretta to cut costs but still hold its image of "the best" when its results are not.

Now of course the obvious answer is that the customer will cotton on to this shonky type of dealing and refuse to send their money. but with so much mis-information floating around how can the customer know what is legit and what is not? We end up repeating the marketing hype because we have invested $6000 on rifle that performs no better than a $500 one.

There is more to this but I've said enough for now :)
26 Jul 2018
@ 01:08 am (GMT)

mark korte

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Its market driven - sort of like laptops, smart phones, tablets etc. :)
26 Jul 2018
@ 04:24 am (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Andrew, et. al.,

Howa I see once in awhile. Can you guys give me an idea of what you consider to be budget rifles in your location?

Right now, the USA is as near to an unfettered arms market that exists in the civilized world.

Off the top of my head I would call a budget rifle the Savage Axis or the Ruger American. There are others such as the Thomson Center (T/C) Venture and Compact.

These are at the forefront here of CNC produced super budget bolt actions.

A "for-instance," not necessarily typical since I am an avid bargain hunter, with an ongoing sale at a discount sporting goods store and with a couple of coupons and a manufacturer's rebate, I bought a Savage Axis 6.5 Creedmoor with Accutrigger and bull barrel. My final price after taxes was $124.77 USD off of a list for $425 USD. That is extreme, but someone made some money on it, not much, but probably several including Savage.

But, please, what makes and models of production bolt actions would you consider to be (1) budget, (2) mid-range (3) expensive?

Also, what would you posit as a "tits on a boar" rifle, and why?
26 Jul 2018
@ 10:51 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Gents,

Sorry for my slow replies...

I am very happy with my Howa, but my expectations were set when I bought it.

I bought my Howa M1500 as a complete rifle, often you can buy just the barrelled action. I got a heavy (varmint) profile barrel at 24" in their short action (308) blued with a Hogue stock for $570AU. This represents a very cheap deal.

It required some work as per Nathan's books and shoot sub 1/2" groups at 100 yards with factory and handloads. Currently I am handloading for financial reasons and the joy of it.

Basic Ruger Americans I have seen for $700AU

Your brand new Remington M700 will start from roughly $1100AU here in Aus and Tikkas starting from about $1400AU.

My Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRMD/CM cost me $1200AU. This also represents a very good deal here.

You can do the math but I am sure these prices are much higher than USA prices...

I would consider basic to be the Ruger American, Howa 1500 and Savage models.

Mid would be Remington M700, Winchester M70

High End are some of your custom jobs that have been finished well.

I cannot think of high end rifle that fits both price and quality but my experience is limited!
27 Jul 2018
@ 04:04 pm (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Andrew,

I am concluding that comparing prices of rifles internationally is interesting, but personally and practically irrelevant. Unless I am wrong (someone please correct me), the hassle of buying a firearm on a visit to the States and taking it back home to New Zealand or Australia would quickly outweigh the savings. Rare firearms and collectibles might be possible, but not the kind of bolt action precision rifles that interest us.

Other things such as optics might be nifty souvenirs. For instance, I recently bought a Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRMD/CM for about $620 USD ($839 AUD).

Anyway, on to my point about the Darwinian wisdom of the firearms industries as they smack up against the market realities.

I like to listen to Forgotten Weapons on Youtube. Ian looks at various weapons from the past, many of which were market failures. It is enlightening because sometimes particular features on failed guns show up later on models that we still revere today. One good idea out of an underdeveloped failure. Look at Rollin White's patent for breech cartridges. It is the basis of everything we use today.

For fun, look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=WnpOis10NyQ

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYf1SXBY_E4

When some manufacturer produces a lemon gun, it doesn't harm me. I just don't buy it. Questionable innovation, cost free to me. So I really don't understand why everyone can feel like the firearms industry is failing us.

We are a minority of a minority of a fringe element in the shooting world. Lots of guys are striving for long-range shooting as a sport. We are literally aiming at long-range lethality.

Why should rifle manufacturers care what we like or need? We adapt and modify retail sporting rifles.

If the market declares winners and losers in the mainstream, it really doesn't affect us much at all. The peripherals such as optics and stocks matter more to us.

Si o Si?
27 Jul 2018
@ 06:36 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
You are correct. Even importing from the States within Australia is extremely difficult. I know shooters, who for health reasons, have been given an exemption to standard laws and have been permitted to shoot semi-automatic shotguns for clay targets (semi-auto firearms are the devil here in Australia). Even with these exemptions they have had their shipments held up and been forced to reproduce their documentation on the gun's arrival to Australia.

That said, scopes may be a little easier but if customs got wind that you had "firearms parts" you would need a very good lawyer. Very risky and the saving of $400, even $4000!!! would soon disappear in legal fees.

I like your statement that we are aiming for long range lethality. I would argue though that most cannot tell the difference between long-range shooting and long-range killing. I would be willing to wager that manufacturers don't know (or worse, don't care). This can be seen in the twist rates offered. Though the 224 calibres aren't long range, their twist rates have given further range for decreased terminal performance, with some exceptions of course, but generally the trend is for long range shooting, not killing.

And again, your point is valid, is the responsibility of the manufacturer or us to ensure we have got it sorted. I would say it's ours, but the manufacturers must not imply these rigs can kill at ranges, which they most certainly imply with advertising, especially since every man and his dog is now going for the "operator" look/vibe.

I'll check those vids out later tonight, thanks for sharing!
28 Jul 2018
@ 06:53 am (GMT)

bryan long

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Capitalism drives the industry to produce guns with the best profit margin for them.
Not the best guns for us.

Where has capitalism driven product improvement within shooting?
28 Jul 2018
@ 02:08 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Some musings as to why things are as they are......

"The things that will destroy You.... are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt


"Humans are complex creatures. We have a demonstrated capacity for hatred, violence, competition, and greed. We have as well a demonstrated capacity for love, tenderness, cooperation, and compassion. Healthy societies nurture the latter and in so doing create an abundance of those things that are most important to the quality of our living. Dysfunctional societies nurture the former and in so doing create scarcity and deprivation. A healthy society makes it easy to live in balance with the environment, whereas a dysfunctional society makes it nearly impossible. Whether we organize our societies for social and environmental health or for dysfunction is a choice that is ours to make."

-- David Korten, economist and internationalist

AUTHENTIC TEXT OF CHIEF SEATTLE'S TREATY ORATION 1854

Yonder sky that has wept tears of compassion upon my people for centuries untold, and which to us appears changeless and eternal, may change. Today is fair. Tomorrow it may be overcast with clouds. My words are like the stars that never change. Whatever Seattle says, the great chief at Washington can rely upon with as much certainty as he can upon the return of the sun or the seasons. The white chief says that Big Chief at Washington sends us greetings of friendship and goodwill. This is kind of him for we know he has little need of our friendship in return. His people are many. They are like the grass that covers vast prairies. My people are few. They resemble the scattering trees of a storm-swept plain. The great, and I presume -- good, White Chief sends us word that he wishes to buy our land but is willing to allow us enough to live comfortably. This indeed appears just, even generous, for the Red Man no longer has rights that he need respect, and the offer may be wise, also, as we are no longer in need of an extensive country.

There was a time when our people covered the land as the waves of a wind-ruffled sea cover its shell-paved floor, but that time long since passed away with the greatness of tribes that are now but a mournful memory. I will not dwell on, nor mourn over, our untimely decay, nor reproach my paleface brothers with hastening it, as we too may have been somewhat to blame.

Youth is impulsive. When our young men grow angry at some real or imaginary wrong, and disfigure their faces with black paint, it denotes that their hearts are black, and that they are often cruel and relentless, and our old men and old women are unable to restrain them. Thus it has ever been. Thus it was when the white man began to push our forefathers ever westward. But let us hope that the hostilities between us may never return. We would have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Revenge by young men is considered gain, even at the cost of their own lives, but old men who stay at home in times of war, and mothers who have sons to lose, know better.

Our good father in Washington--for I presume he is now our father as well as yours, since King George has moved his boundaries further north--our great and good father, I say, sends us word that if we do as he desires he will protect us. His brave warriors will be to us a bristling wall of strength, and his wonderful ships of war will fill our harbors, so that our ancient enemies far to the northward -- the Haidas and Tsimshians -- will cease to frighten our women, children, and old men. Then in reality he will be our father and we his children. But can that ever be? Your God is not our God! Your God loves your people and hates mine! He folds his strong protecting arms lovingly about the paleface and leads him by the hand as a father leads an infant son. But, He has forsaken His Red children, if they really are His. Our God, the Great Spirit, seems also to have forsaken us. Your God makes your people wax stronger every day. Soon they will fill all the land. Our people are ebbing away like a rapidly receding tide that will never return. The white man's God cannot love our people or He would protect them. They seem to be orphans who can look nowhere for help. How then can we be brothers? How can your God become our God and renew our prosperity and awaken in us dreams of returning greatness? If we have a common Heavenly Father He must be partial, for He came to His paleface children. We never saw Him. He gave you laws but had no word for His red children whose teeming multitudes once filled this vast continent as stars fill the firmament. No; we are two distinct races with separate origins and separate destinies. There is little in common between us.

To us the ashes of our ancestors are sacred and their resting place is hallowed ground. You wander far from the graves of your ancestors and seemingly without regret. Your religion was written upon tablets of stone by the iron finger of your God so that you could not forget. The Red Man could never comprehend or remember it. Our religion is the traditions of our ancestors -- the dreams of our old men, given them in solemn hours of the night by the Great Spirit; and the visions of our sachems, and is written in the hearts of our people.

Your dead cease to love you and the land of their nativity as soon as they pass the portals of the tomb and wander away beyond the stars. They are soon forgotten and never return. Our dead never forget this beautiful world that gave them being. They still love its verdant valleys, its murmuring rivers, its magnificent mountains, sequestered vales and verdant lined lakes and bays, and ever yearn in tender fond affection over the lonely hearted living, and often return from the happy hunting ground to visit, guide, console, and comfort them.

Day and night cannot dwell together. The Red Man has ever fled the approach of the White Man, as the morning mist flees before the morning sun. However, your proposition seems fair and I think that my people will accept it and will retire to the reservation you offer them. Then we will dwell apart in peace, for the words of the Great White Chief seem to be the words of nature speaking to my people out of dense darkness.

It matters little where we pass the remnant of our days. They will not be many. The Indian's night promises to be dark. Not a single star of hope hovers above his horizon. Sad-voiced winds moan in the distance. Grim fate seems to be on the Red Man's trail, and wherever he will hear the approaching footsteps of his fell destroyer and prepare stolidly to meet his doom, as does the wounded doe that hears the approaching footsteps of the hunter.

A few more moons, a few more winters, and not one of the descendants of the mighty hosts that once moved over this broad land or lived in happy homes, protected by the Great Spirit, will remain to mourn over the graves of a people once more powerful and hopeful than yours. But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature, and regret is useless. Your time of decay may be distant, but it will surely come, for even the White Man whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We will see.

We will ponder your proposition and when we decide we will let you know. But should we accept it, I here and now make this condition that we will not be denied the privilege without molestation of visiting at any time the tombs of our ancestors, friends, and children. Every part of this soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside, every valley, every plain and grove, has been hallowed by some sad or happy event in days long vanished. Even the rocks, which seem to be dumb and dead as the swelter in the sun along the silent shore, thrill with memories of stirring events connected with the lives of my people, and the very dust upon which you now stand responds more lovingly to their footsteps than yours, because it is rich with the blood of our ancestors, and our bare feet are conscious of the sympathetic touch. Our departed braves, fond mothers, glad, happy hearted maidens, and even the little children who lived here and rejoiced here for a brief season, will love these somber solitudes and at eventide they greet shadowy returning spirits. And when the last Red Man shall have perished, and the memory of my tribe shall have become a myth among the White Men, these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe, and when your children's children think themselves alone in the field, the store, the shop, upon the highway, or in the silence of the pathless woods, they will not be alone. In all the earth there is no place dedicated to solitude. At night when the streets of your cities and villages are silent and you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that once filled them and still love this beautiful land. The White Man will never be alone.

Let him be just and deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not powerless. Dead, did I say? There is no death, only a change of worlds.

28 Jul 2018
@ 02:38 pm (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Andrew & Bryan, et. al.:

I have been following the legal and legislative travails of firearms owners in Australia, but of course we don't get the straight dope here in the States. so, I am surprised to learn that things that may be construed as "firearms parts" would be tightly regulated. If a scope is problematic for this reason . . . Yikes! Of course import regulations are pretty odd everywhere, so who knows what any customs service will smack you for?

I once brought some very old Russian wooden icons back from the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul. US Customs stopped me, as I was afraid they would because these were valuable antiques and certainly under international restriction for import. Busted! my heart was in my shoes. I had to take my suitcase over to an office where they lectured my firmly for bringing "agricultural products" into the country from overseas --- the icons being made of wood, which is a vegetable or some such.

When I explained to them that our family is Eastern Orthodox, and these are for worship, they apologized and let me go (with the vegetation).

As for the responsibility of the firearms manufacturer I think their first responsibility is essentially Hippocratic, as in "First, do no harm."

That means they must not built or market anything that will blow-up in the shooter's hands. Of course this also means that they will always build relatively mild firearms chambered for "safe" cartridges, such is the road to mediocrity. They do not do this for altruistic reasons, but rather to avoid being sued into oblivion.

As for their second responsibility, that is to make as large a profit as possible. They do this by charging "whatever the market will bear."

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The problem with this statement is markets are made up of companies and/or people. Each one is different. Each has a different willingness to pay. “Charge what the market will bear” implies a single price for a large group of companies or people.

If you price low enough, this single price may capture the whole market. However, you will be giving many customers a much lower price than they are willing to pay.

If you price high to capture the profit from those who will pay the most, you will be missing out on profitable business at the lower end.

Of course you can choose somewhere between as a compromise, so you give up some at the low end and some at the high end.

Which price, low, high or middle, is what the market will bear? Regardless, whichever you answer it is not the price that maximizes profit. The best answer is price segmentation. Create smaller segments that consist of customers with similar willingness to pay.

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https://pragmaticpricing.com/2013/10/19/what-is-what-the-market-will-bear/

I don't mean to be didactic here, but I think that characterizing companies as "good" or "bad" misses the reality. A business or corporation is not moral or immoral, it is amoral. If being "moral" produces the greatest profit at the least risk, then the company will be excruciatingly moral. "Immorality" such as the porn or prostitution trade turns a huge profit as long as the company avoids lawsuits and arrests. That is the triumph and tragedy of capitalism.

Thus, Bryan's original question, "How has the firearms industry got it so wrong?" is answered. If we are looking for the firearms industry to produce the quality firearms we want we must create a sufficient market to pay for it. Like the movie said, "If you build it they will come" but in this case it is up to the consumers to build the market.

Yes, there is a market right now, but it is a very, very small one. If we want it bigger we must grow through public education and advertisement of our niche sport. Perhaps we can find others, who are long range shooters, to adopt our values and desires?

But probably not. Nevertheless, we have people like Nathan who show us how to modify and customize firearms to do what was never intended by the "firearms industry."

That allows us to practice, "Production for use" in our own world. That makes me happy, if it were easy everyone would do it.

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Note: Production for use is a phrase referring to the principle of economic organization and production taken as a defining criterion for a socialist economy. It is held in contrast to production for profit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_for_use


BTW, moral and dedicated companies as known as 'boutique vendors" and are usually the creation of one or two sincere and driven individuals of great character. A boutique manufacturer does not put profit first.

That is why they eventually go out of business.
28 Jul 2018
@ 02:41 pm (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Well said, Warwick. I sincerely believe and revere every word of your post. Well said.

But there is no profit in it.
28 Jul 2018
@ 06:02 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Maybe not a monetary profit. Definitely a social profit to be shared and enjoyed by all.
28 Jul 2018
@ 08:56 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Very interesting read Warrick, do you have Native American ancestry?

Also John, I am quite interested in Eastern Orthodxy, I myself am a minister with a Protestant denomination, Australian Christian Churches, which is Pentecostal. You perhaps have heard of Hillsong, they are under the same banner as our church (and many others), that is not to say we are the same however.

Nonetheless, I thought it interesting that you brought the Hippocratic oath into here. I had considered that each company is spending less on R&D, Lithgow Arms for example: With less and less testing of their actions they can keep costs down (especially in Aus where labour costs are quite high) and therefor go to market with a cheaper product. There is a darker and more sinister side however, should the action fail the company can quite rightly claim they had not been aware of the flaws in their design and their liability is lessened somewhat. There could be no paper trail to prove they knew since the testing was limited to what is an acceptable standard.

I was recently informed that a common test is to chamber a .270 with a .308 and pull the trigger via rope from some distance as a failure test. Apparently this is being done less and less. From my mind the reasons can be argued (by a manufacturer) that this voids a warranty claim anyway and is far from their fault but also removes a need to test their metallurgy beyond what they explicitly say their product is for, despite anything implied.

We have strong consumer laws here in Australia, manufacturers and retailers get in lots of trouble here, the laws are heavily weight towards the customer so we have seen less advertising hype across the whole consumer market.

That said Warwick's last post does show a less capitalistic mindset. I think you nailed it though John:

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Thus, Bryan's original question, "How has the firearms industry got it so wrong?" is answered. If we are looking for the firearms industry to produce the quality firearms we want we must create a sufficient market to pay for it. Like the movie said, "If you build it they will come" but in this case it is up to the consumers to build the market.


And:
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BTW, moral and dedicated companies as known as 'boutique vendors" and are usually the creation of one or two sincere and driven individuals of great character. A boutique manufacturer does not put profit first.

That is why they eventually go out of business.


All Western societies are built on capitalism and their main economy model. I think as we learn and grow and boundaries/borders are less blurred we may well see a rise in hybrid economies. Capitalism with socialist guidelines if you will.

Who knows? One thing is for sure, after the GFC and the highlighting of the Wall Street (and other markets) 1% campaigns is that the system itself cannot be uncorrupted. They are flawed because we as humans are.

I believe there is a day coming where the inherent injustices will end, but I won't wait for it, I am doing my best to bring it to being with the limitations and systems we have in place.
29 Jul 2018
@ 02:11 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Here's a poem I wrote a while back that seamed to fit this topic
I find stories on the news get me thinking and provoke writings
so here it is.........

CAPITALISM'S GOT PORN

If they can TAX IT then they go out of their way to MAX IT? New laws rules and fees, bend over citizens get on your knees.
Capitalism's discovered Kink and Its your head that's in the sink? So what are you going too do? Pick your flavor Dom or Sub! Slave or Master? Whats it going to be! Hurry up make your choice.....
Top or Bottom? Someones got to get FED!
One Takes while the other Gives
don't cry sissy you knew the score!
Capitalism's discovered Porn
and's using your money to mow it's lawn?
29 Jul 2018
@ 04:04 am (GMT)

JOHN HAYS

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Andrew,

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"should the action fail the company can quite rightly claim they had not been aware of the flaws in their design"


That would not fly here in the States. The action of the action would be actionable -- if it was dangerous to the user.

Ignorance is not a sin, but it might as well be. We are an insanely litigious society here and accidentally creating a hazard through ignorance will not excuse a company or save them from bankruptcy.

Now, who would want to live in a strictly conservative/capitalist society? and who would enjoy life in a 100% socialist/communist society?

The answer to both is, "A very few at the top."

It is said that, "A conservative is a liberal who just got mugged, and a liberal is a conservative who just got arrested."

Willie Dixon, the old-time blues musician and songwriter once said that writing a popular blues song is the easiest thing because sooner or later all people experience the same basic things from life -- hence everyone lives the blues at one point or another. Everyone's life and needs are a spectrum.

I think this is why, in a democracy, national politics swings like a pendulum, left and right. Sometimes a majority feel like they have been mugged and sometimes the people feel like they have been arrested -- either victimized by lawless chaos or by coercive government control.

Since we are Off-Topic and dabbling in politics, let me clarify my proclivities:

As an American, I extremely value individual freedom, extremely. It is hard for me to countenance a totalitarian state and I am therefor constitutionally opposed to Marxism/Socialism/Communism. For me, the State is the servant of the citizens, not their nanny and certainly not the boss.

A quote from Ronald Reagan's farewell address:

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Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: “We the people.” “We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. “We the people” are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast. Almost all the world’s constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which “We the people” tell the government what it is allowed to do.


And yet, and yet, I won't deny there can be too much of a good thing. And I won't deny we often fail to live up to these ideals.

Myself, I kind of like the place where the pendulum swings across the middle.
29 Jul 2018
@ 04:20 am (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
Warwick:

I like your poem and I agree that power and sex is in bed with power and money and that the porn industry is the exemplar of this sweaty ménage à trois.

For instance, large corporate hotel chains and cable content providers are major funders of the the porn industry.

Nevertheless, sex (and thus porn) are something that both men and women pursue with the frantic fluttering of a moth to a flame. Money, power and capitalism are largely a means to that end.

Sex is the driver, just try to arrest it.

Greed and money are the vehicles, just try to slow them down, just try.

Watch this: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+money+caberet&view=detail&mid=FD7CC2D9560E1D058015FD7CC2D9560E1D058015&FORM=VIRE
29 Jul 2018
@ 04:40 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Firearms, Capitalism and Survival of the Fattest
I wrote this in 2012 looking at things from a distance and trying to see the full picture not just a small piece of it..... thought Id share with you.


Some of you may know the history of Colonization and how it was implemented by the Masters of life long insecurity. Today we think it's a thing filed in the realms of French,Dutch,Spanish and English history. It was done by sailing ship with a bible, blankets, guns and mind boggling technologies. All used to blind, awe and manipulate the people of the lands being Colonized? For a few centuries it worked well until the likes of Hitler and Japan tried to colonize "The Masters" of previously Colonized countries and it was no surprise that they didn't want to be recolonized! They liked to rule not serve and wouldn't have it..... So they went to war stopping what they had done to others from happening to them and they won?
Time has passed, countries with large populations wanting more have sat and pondered
"Is there another way to take over and force their ways forward"?
If you want to be in a strong position you need to control the Assets for the production and supply of knowledge and consumed goods.
China has realized this. Russian and American arms manufacture's also understand how power can be obtained thru controlling supply like the Oil giants do. Vehicle manufacture's have in the last 15yrs changed and cornered their markets thru making their car systems complex and the tools required exclusive only to dealer networks so owners must return for all service and repairs. Our blind obsession for the latest phone, flashest car, newest shoes and fashion garments has been realized by certain countries. They have seen a chance to mass produce flash looking products and flood world markets. Concentrating on selling items at prices less than local industries can produce them for. Local well made shoes that where $200 a pair are competing with foreign made copies selling for $25 a pair. People being people they see these cheap consumer goods and buy them without thought of the big picture and the underhand act of "Global Consumer Colonization" that they unwittingly support. This is a slow and creeping change that will take many years to complete. This Stealth approach works only in favor of the producer of the cheap products. The more they make and sell the richer they become and more capital provides more raw materials to make more for the greedy unskilled consumer! Have a look at the "Made in" label on the items we are sold? If local shoe manufacturers can't compensate they go out of business and no longer are people trained to make shoes. The Cobbler's trade fades into history their skills are lost to that nations people. The government that allows this trend leaves its people exposed and vulnerable to manipulation by the supplying nations industry They now have control of an essential every day product that another country needs........!
A Government still reaps some import Tax's, GST and tariffs from the sales of these cheap goods,produced on foreign soil with cheap unregulated and unprotected labor forces. They loose the income tax that would have been paid by its own people had they had jobs and made the products here at home...... As for the people of these countries! Well they loose the knowledge and skills of a trade and that trades industry. The skills, jobs, wages and knowledge are forever lost to countries with their own agendas and rules.
So shoes,cars,clothes,tires,food,white goods and Government assets are all sold or privatized.
Slowly the countries soul and assets are devalued and whored off to the cunningest bidder,scoundrel,Lair and Corporate Thief! The ability to grow off the gains and the proceeds from them are lost forever.
Sadly it's Only when you understand what you have lost and in seeing what really went on will you truly know just how well you where screwed over! By then it will be too late.All will be owned and controlled by another man. Sold to him by somebody who didn't Care for the people, the Land and it's unity!
Life is like a Penny. You can spend it on anything you like. But you only get to spend it once"!!!!!!
In the same light you will only sell your Assets once. (An assets Formal definition is a resource controlled by the entity as a result of past events and from which future economic benefits are expected to flow to the entity) "Would you sell your children as easily as you do their future"?
Today is tomorrows opportunity and here today we are tomorrows caretakers. What we do at this moment reflects its effects onto tomorrows dwellers of this space. Lucky that we are not trees rooted firmly in one place and unable to move until death. If we found our Fathers and Mothers in our way would we chop them down with knife ridden chains and burn their remains to gain their place in the suns light? Or would we become clouds of poison and suffocate them into submission?
Are the people of New Zealand to be traded and sold like Dairy products and wood chips? Made into Milk powder n pulp! Another asset to be played with,displayed and sold out for foreign gains by unholy prophet's?
If your Mum & Dad sold your toys to pay their mortgage. Made you pay them when you needed a doctor, let strangers sleep in your bed, Gave the richest kids in town the best food, Your sunny bedroom to Vampires and let the warmest sit closest to the fire!
Pretty soon you'd hate their guts?
I always thought that a Government is like a Countries Mother and Father?
So where is the governments Love for "Its Children" The Land and it's people?
OR
"Is that for sale too"?
Remember that......
"Enough is better than more? When you want more you never seem to have enough! When you have enough, you know you don't need any more....." Warwick Marflitt 12/12/12

"Do Smart people learn from others mistakes".

" Woe to yea who'd betray his fellow Landsmen's Trust".....

 

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