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@ 09:50 am (GMT) |
Paul HalesEvening,this is my first time on the forum and i was wondering if anyone out there had any experience with a few models of scopes i'm looking at. I'm in north Queensland, and up here 100m is a long shot , mostly its about being quick before something gets swallowed up by the grass. So with that in mind I need a 2 or 3 power at the bottom end, however I can still get long shots along fence lines and fire breaks out to 1500m if i'm dumb enough to try but regularly out to 500m, so I decided on about 15 or 16 power at the top end, with an objective bell no larger than 42 or 44mm although for the right price i wouldn't walk away from a 50 mm either. So I narrowed it down to about 1 million options, in no particular order. weaver super slam weaver grand slam Bushnell 6500 Burris veracity hawke frontier Lynx 3-15x 50( this one is a big scope but it is the only one with a locking parallax that I've seen. Nikon monarch 5 and prostaff 5 SWFA in the states makes a good option too if only they'd export the things. These choices all fit in my budget if I use a shoe horn and the missus doesn't see the credit card bill. Nightforce and swarovski are differently out The scope is going on a well used and loved howa 1500 in 308,which has been capable of half to three quarters of an inch in the past with some loads going down to 8mm but I 'll call that a fluke, with all feral species being targeted from cats and wild dogs through to bulls and camels. Thanks for your help. Halesy |
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@ 10:36 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Help with opticsHi PaulSightron S111 take some beating. I've been using a 2.5-10x42 mil dot for a couple of years, I can't fault it. I regularly shoot out to 600m using the mil dots and a few clicks. A lot of guys on this site highly recommend them. Good value for money. Bob |
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@ 10:48 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Help with opticsCorrection, I have an S111 3.5-10x44[b] |
@ 06:42 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: Help with opticsI have used the Swfa fixed powersI have tried the 10x42 Milquad and Mil dot and the 6x42 Milquad They work fine with excellent tracking and just using the dots or ticks for holdover BUT and there always seems to be a but the crosshairs are too fine for me I can see them fine all except for early morning(I cant see the crosshairs till it gets about sunrise and in the evenings I lose the crosshairs about sunset. These are the times I see most of my deer and we can Hunt 30 Minutes before sunrise and 30 Minutes after sunset. I read of others that have no problems seeing the crosshairs under the same conditions so I suppose it depends on ones eyesight. I would like to find a fixed power that had the attributes of the swfa(super reliable,great tracking,affordable but with crosshairs that were thicker that I could see under the conditions of 30 Minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset I can see the Leupold regular duplex great but I want the Mil Quad or mil dot reticle for holdover and dialing but dont want to spend over about $400.00 |
@ 08:45 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Help with opticsHey Paul. Welcome to the forum. Have a look at Dead eye dicks here in NZ for the Sightron scopes. I have an Slll 6-24x50. The Sll series come in lower power rates check them out.http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/optics/scopes/sightron.php[b] |
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@ 09:14 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Help with opticsHi CraigUnfortunately with optics you get what you pay, I think you'll be struggling at $400 . Secondhand can be a risk. Even some of the top end scopes are not good for bigger calibers. I had a very nice Zeiss on my 358W but the eye relief was too close. I use a mil dot for hold over, don't like continually cranking the turrets . I have mates that shoot F class, they wear out the turrets even on the best scopes. Good thing the top end have good warranty. I've bought a few scope here http://www.theriflescopestore.com/ |
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@ 09:28 pm (GMT) |
Paul HalesRe: Help with opticsThanks for the replies, anyone know if there's a source of SWFA scopes apart from SWFA?.I forgo to mention in my original post i can probably go to $100 for optics. Thanks Paul |
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@ 10:45 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: Help with opticsQuote: Hi Craig
Unfortunately with optics you get what you pay, I think you'll be struggling at $400 . Secondhand can be a risk. Even some of the top end scopes are not good for bigger calibers. I had a very nice Zeiss on my 358W but the eye relief was too close. I use a mil dot for hold over, don't like continually cranking the turrets . I have mates that shoot F class, they wear out the turrets even on the best scopes. Good thing the top end have good warranty. I've bought a few scope here http://www.theriflescopestore.com/ Hi Bob Yes I dont particularly like cranking turrets either and for the ranges I shoot about 400 yards and less could get by with Just reference marks or dots I like the fixed powers as way I see it less moving parts less to go wrong ! Have been thinking maybe something like the Leupold 6x36 or 6x42 with the Long range Duplex This way I would have a reticle I can see easily and have the dots of the reticle for reference points . Most of my shots are within 250 yards or less with just a few at the Longer ranges. With my use of my rangefinder and the Leupold as mentioned above do you think that would be a good solution to my issue?? Thanks Craig |
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@ 11:29 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Help with opticsHi CraigWhat caliber are you using? I use busnell 1600 RF binos best thing I ever bought. 6x42 Leupold would do the job if it's not a big kicker. I used a fixed 6x42 Zeiss for may years, still shot out to 400m with no problems using hold over. I had a variable leupold 2.5-10, discovered one day that there was 3" diff at 100m between 2.5 & 10 power. I used fixed power till I could afford a 3.5-10 S11 Sightron. I recently bought a 2.5-10x24 Nightforce with ilumination, only 10" long for my 358w best thing I ever did, love it. Bob |
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@ 11:42 pm (GMT) |
Craig HenardRe: Help with opticsHi BobI am using a Tikka Superlite 270 Winchester with Factory 130 Grain ammo Federal fusion And Winchester Ballistic Silvertip Using the Leupold 1200i TBR Rangefinder |
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@ 12:06 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Help with opticsThis'll do it all for the rest of your life.http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/bakery/sightron-siii-3.5-10-x-44-lr-md-1383.php Or cheaper is http://www.deadeyedicks.co.nz/cms/pages/bakery/sightron-sii-4-16-x-42-hhr-1917.php Honestly don't over look the Sightrons. They work and the glass is awesome and I have a Nightforce and the difference between the two isn't much if any? |
@ 05:37 am (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Help with opticsI have a Sightron SIII 3.5-10x44 and have zero issues with the reticle and how fine they are, evening poor light.My SIII Tactical Sightron however is 2.5-17.5 with an illuminated dot in the centre. It is their MOA-3 reticle. Works extremely well in low light times. Then too there are the Vortex and Nightforce scopes with fully illuminated reticles that lend themselves to low light conditions very well and have glass as good as the Sightrons mentioned. One related comment about reticle visibility is to consider the new Bushnell Tactical scopes. Most of the mild reticles are too coarse for my liking but they are certainly visible. Lastly, I spent years with Leopold scopes that would not move the reticle reliably and had to use holdovers all too many times so learned to restrict my distances accordingly. Now that there are these Sightrons as well as many other scopes that can be had for a decent price, that you can dial your shot in with, there is a far better and more efficient way to take that odd really long range shot when and if required. You just have to learn and train for it. That said, these reticles with 1 or 2 moa hash marks make holding over a real snap compared with what I had to use for years. |
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@ 03:35 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Help with opticsMost of the mild reticlesShould have read MILDOT - Darned spelling correction on this computer... |
@ 10:48 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Help with opticsI forgo to mention in my original post i can probably go to $100 for optics.Thanks Paul Is the $100 bit correct Paul??? You won't buy bugger all for that amount even second hand. If you mean $1000 then you have some options, l have seen a few second hand VX III leupold 4-12 on used guns recently which would suit. We have a great Sightron SII 3-12 mildot on my sons 06 so l'll put another vote for them. Running a Weaver 6-20 ebx Superslam (Japan made) on my 308, eye relief is short but recoil is minimal on that rig, so not an issue. Good clear scope with true moa adjustments (on mine) & is now one of my favourite scopes after using it in the field for hours on end. Even gives my SIII a run in some ways. OH and stay away from any Chinese stuff, not real happy with our new Chinese Weaver on our spot lighting gun. Day and night in comparison, really, really bad in every way!!! |
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@ 09:00 pm (GMT) |
Paul HalesRe: Help with opticsyep $1000.00 was what i meant.Happily while looking at the sightron site,t hey have some new releases, one these being in their s-tac line and is a 3-16 x42 with side parallax and a 30mm tube, with about 70 moa of adjustment, and a choice of either their moa 3 reticule or an ordinary duplex. They are available next month.If their as good as my old S1 3-9 x 40 that has had beating and still going well than i may well have found my scope. With 175 gr proj, is 35 moa enough to get 1000m or do I still need to go with a canted base or Burris zee mounts. Also the central dot in the moa ret, is .25 at 100m at 16 power which seems a bit large for precise aiming especially further out ,the duplex wire is only.125 so that may be a better choice, anyone out there got any thoughts. Thanks for all the help. Paul |
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@ 03:31 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Help with opticsHey Paul. 1 MOA is 1.047 inches at 100 yards. If you × that by 10 = 10.47 inches at 1000 yards.So 70 MOA @ 100 yards is 70 × 1.047 inch = 73.29 inches and 732.9 inches @ 1000 yards..... Drop charts for your calibre and load will give you an accurate answer to your question ? Remember that the Manufacturer's say it's not advisable to use the total windage and elevation adjustment of the scope. One of the Sightron scopes has 120 MOA of adjustment!!! You can get canted rails to suit or if you are using Signature rings you can shim up the rear mount. You'd have to do it properly though to be reliable and robust. I'm sure you're adequately confussed by now? Grab a tape measure and a few frosty cold one's! She'll be right mate! Look out for them Tipan snakes in the sugar cane if you're chasing the porkers. |
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@ 08:05 am (GMT) |
Paul HalesRe: Help with opticsThanks Warick,I'll think I'll give it a go the reality is 100m is a long shot 500 is doable and further out doesn't need to happen , but I'd like to give it a go. The local quoted price is under $600.00 which seems quite cheap compared to its competitors, which is a worry. However i finally got to look through a bushnell 6500 2-5 -16 this week, and whilst most of the image was clear there was a defined blurred bending of the image around the edges, which i didn't think should exist on a $12 to $1400 scope. But my S11 has been excellent so maybe the sightrons are just excellent value for the dollar. Paul |
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@ 08:51 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Help with opticsYes they are and have a good warranty to boot. You won't regret it. check it out if you can. You don't buy a car with blurry paint on the edges lol? |
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