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14 Oct 2015
@ 12:20 am (GMT)

Chris Bayley

So I am new to this forum (Hello all) and relatively new to centerfires although I have been a life long rimfire user. I picked a 308 Mauser about a year ago as a bit of project, restored the stock, fitted a can and an optic and set about discovering just how much extra there is to learn in the world of centerfire.
I have spent several days at the range 100-450m belting away though a hundred factory then a hundred hand loads but I never really going any better than 3-4MOA which in the end became a bit dissapointing.
I figured the 308 had taught me a bunch but was going to take more work than worth while to bring it up to spec so I flicked it for a 270WSM T3.
I like it a good deal and on my first outing my groups have improved to 1MOA @200m. That is a satisfying improvement but goal interim would be 0.5MOA.

The T3 is half decent out of the box, and Nathan suggests in one his books that bedding the T3 light is not mandatory if your goals are not too lofty.
I have my eye on a custom laminate stock which would certainly require bedding so I am thinking the practice of bedding the plastic stock would probably be worthwhile experience points even if not critical to it's performance.

Recoil on the WSM, I would describe as tolerable but I don't really have broad enough experience to say. I mostly shot 150s in the 308 with a can so it's a bit stiffer than that. Maybe 1 shot in 5 I feel a flinch creeping up on me but it not too hard to breath and relax it away. I put through about 30-40 shots at the range recently with no soreness afterwards. If that were all I'd think no problem, but I understand it would be ideal to see the bullet splash through the scope at the target and I am unable to achieve this. Is that realistic with a WSM ?

I am considering loading up some soft loads for plinking and range days with a view to:
* viewing my bullet splash when completing a shot
* reducing barrel wear at the range
* reducing powder costs
* enjoying long comfortable days at the range without worrying about the above

So I'd enjoy any (helpful) comments that will aid me on my way to improved combined accuracy of my rifle and my own shooting.

Cheers all,
Chris

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14 Oct 2015
@ 12:46 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Where to next ??
Hi Chris, Welcome.
Have you got Nathans series of Books? Worth every penny and the Knowledge contained combined with the web site will get you sorted if your happy to invest some time reading and learning?
Cheers mate
14 Oct 2015
@ 12:46 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Where to next ??
Hi Chris, Welcome.
Have you got Nathans series of Books? Worth every penny and the Knowledge contained combined with the web site will get you sorted if your happy to invest some time reading and learning?
Cheers mate
14 Oct 2015
@ 01:57 am (GMT)

Chris Bayley

Re: Where to next ??
Quote:
Hi Chris, Welcome.
Have you got Nathans series of Books? Worth every penny and the Knowledge contained combined with the web site will get you sorted if your happy to invest some time reading and learning?
Cheers mate


Yup, I certainly do and am enjoying every minute of them. I guess thats how I ended up here. I read them on Kindle and I have an App called 'VoiceDream' (sounds dodgy I know) which will read aloud an ebook while I drive to work - very useful for making the most of dead time.

I have picked up a few tips already and been reading them with my T3 in mind which gives rise to the other thread I started today.

Cheers,
14 Oct 2015
@ 07:20 am (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: Where to next ??
well call me a wooster burger if you like but I would put another suppressor on new rifle straight away.
100+ rounds of std .270 on paper would have me plurry near black and blue and flinching like a gibbering idiot ......
nip that flinch in the bud BEFORE it gets ingrained.
if you want to reduce recoil but keep hot load that will do the bizo look hard at the likes of a 110grn TSX or even a 130grn
the difference in recoil IS alot.
14 Oct 2015
@ 07:44 am (GMT)

Chris Bayley

Re: Where to next ??
Quote:
well call me a wooster burger if you like but I would put another suppressor on new rifle straight away.
100+ rounds of std .270 on paper would have me plurry near black and blue and flinching like a gibbering idiot ......
nip that flinch in the bud BEFORE it gets ingrained.
if you want to reduce recoil but keep hot load that will do the bizo look hard at the likes of a 110grn TSX or even a 130grn
the difference in recoil IS alot.


Yeah, I like suppressors and had the 308 threaded and fitted before I'd even fired a shot, but some of the advice in Nathan's books has given me pause for thought:
* When I got the 308 back from the shop I was quite disturbed at how skinny the 1/2" thread looked at the muzzle and combined with Nathans comments about caution here with regard to bulging muzzles due to skinny threads has made me hesitate.
* I was never satisfied with the 308's performance so I really want get a baseline with the T3 before I go changing stuff.
* Given I gave myself little chance to learn what the baseline 308 recoil should be like I didn't want to repeat the same mistake(?)
* I trimmed the barrel of the 308 to preserve the overall length but I on this occasion I will not be buying a magnum to trim it so any suppressor will be fitted at full length.

I will probably at some stage after I have a good baseline for both performance and felt recoil thread the full length barrel with the largest diameter thread it will take and then dial in a magnum suppressor.

So long as I have a high performance load dialed in for hunting I feel like a managed recoil load would be a good option for extended range days and barrel life.

Cheers.

25 Oct 2015
@ 08:24 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Where to next ??
Hmm, a tough call because soft loads won't allow you to really practice with the rifle as would be in the field when hunting with full power loads. This could in turn lead to misses or wounds. But the soft loads will allow you to get used to the rifle.

This final animal of a book should help you with recoil issues. I would rather you read this bore making any rifle alterations.

If only the barrels were just a touch thicker, it would make fitting an M14 thread viable and make for a much different rifle with or without a suppressor.

There are a great many rifles that do not allow you to see the bullet strike, regardless of rifle design. Sometimes the very terrain you are on will cause difficulty. This is where working in pairs can be very useful.
 

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