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Tripod forend rest for hunting?

01 Jun 2017
@ 03:08 pm (GMT)

Greg Quick

So I was watching the YouTube video 2017 extreme longrange kills https://youtu.be/5fM5Dv_Zktw (great video by the way) and I noticed instead of using a screw on type bipod like a Harris they were using a tripod with a forend bag. I know in the books Nathan emphasizes how bipods effect harmonics especially on light rifles. This kinda looks like one possibility to avoid using a bipod yet keep barrel harmonics in tune. If you have time to set up or have quick access to it, it seems pretty damn slick. Anyone have experience with this type of setup?

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03 Jun 2017
@ 09:19 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
I don't want to go into this too much as the Shooting book really gets into it. Those who want to learn, need to read this and the other books.

I will say this. With experience, you will begin to see the things others miss. For example, often when an animal is poleaxed out long, its because of a spine hit and its actually a lucky shot, he could have missed and you will not see on video how many animals were missed prior to that final hit. If you look at the body position of the shooter, especially butt pad position and the poor general use of the rifle, you can see how the error is always high. Refer to your copy of my book for this. Note also that the guys in the vid used quick dial scopes. They don't actually want to do the math, they just want to make the hit. This can really turn to shit if you push too far and in an environment for which the quick dials are not tailored. I loather these scopes.

The tripod rest looks good, useful for long grasses. But the terrain needs to suit its footing. So as always, pros and cons. I saw one guy using a pack which settled well, not too sure if his barrel cleared the pack though.

I guess for me, I look at these vids as a teacher / guide so my perspective will always be different. In any case, this is how my clients might shoot before coming to me or before reading the books. I expect much more from them after a solid grounding in the fundamentals.

Do me a favor, watch it again and look closely for what I have spoken about here. See what I see.

Just remember, you don't know what was cut out of these videos. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, that a lot would have to be cut out with those methods of shooting unless the rifles are of low recoil and ranges are not too long. This caution goes doubly for you Greg as you are shooting a man sized potent cartridge (7mm Practical), one that demands the best from us. I would advise against watching any of this type of video footage unless using it to demonstrate errors. The place I need you guys to go to is a very quiet place, just you and your rifle. This is a very personal thing, where you need the space to sort through both rifle accuracy (rifle then hand loads) versus your own technique. This can take many weeks and one cannot skip any steps along the way. Whether you have a factory rifle and chambering or a custom wildcat, each rifle has its idiosyncrasies.

Long range rifle accuracy is certainly an ongoing learning process. And it can be hard to know what course of action to pursue when chasing accuracy including when to stop and start over, such as with new bedding or new brass etc. If any part of the system is not correct from the outset, it can compound problems down the line. But the first building block must be the shooter. If he or she does not have great confidence in their abilities, it is impossible to isolate rifle variables. If the shooter is of low experience and is working with his first centerfire, this can be a very slow process until he is finally able to distinguish shooter versus rifle error. But the same can occur when an experienced shooter moves from moderate power to magnum power in a rifle he is not familiar with. In both instances, placing focus on follow through will broaden your awareness of errors. This is a key factor to both build confidence but also regain confidence if you have been let down by rifle issues (non human error).

If your rifle has more than one variable effecting accuracy, this can become immensely frustrating. Skipped steps in the accuracy process can lead to this but also, having work done by a third party beyond your control (e.g bedding). I have put notes in the books as to how to inspect others work. You must in this regard learn to listen to your instincts. If something appears wrong versus what you have learned in the books, it probably is.

My apologies, I seem to get side tracked these days.
03 Jun 2017
@ 10:00 am (GMT)

Chris Murphy

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Hi Greg the way I look at these fancy rifle rests , bipods etc is it just extra shit to carry. The new age hunter thinks a tikka t3 is to heavy but they then want to put a bipod a suppressor and all sorts of other gadgets it don't make sense. Ya carry a pack when hunting use it as rest put an extra jacket in if needed I bipod won't keep you warm if thing get nasty
03 Jun 2017
@ 10:36 am (GMT)

Greg Quick

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Well now I feel like a jackass for even posting the question. But most times it's good to get a good kick in the ass from the teacher or a better term would be, Jedi. I'm sorry if I gave the impression I see these guys as longs range masters or thinking they've got it all figured out. I said it was a great video merely because it was entertaining on some level but it had also crossed my mind that for every animal these clowns put down there's probably 6 running around with a bullet in the ass. I was kind of surprised they were using a 142 grain bullet on such large game. I was more interested in the tripod part of it. Nathan, you're absolutely right about keeping to the basics and not get caught up in all the hyped up bull shit as such in the video. I'm staying true to the books to the best of my ability and will heed the advice given here in the post. As for what you said Chris, I agree completely. Having my assault packed with more survival shit to shoot off is better than a 3 lbs tripod. I still have a lot to learn about all this and my face is buried in the books everyday. I will stay the course and keep to the fundamentals. I will watch the video again with your kick in the ass Nathan and look for the flaws you have pointed out. As always I am grateful.
03 Jun 2017
@ 11:05 am (GMT)

Greg Quick

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
So watched the video again with a more of an observational perspective and you are right. I hadn't even noticed their shooting techniques the first time around. Completely different than what you teach. Body positions, butt stock positions, shoulder. None of them held the forearm of the rifle or used a sling to get solid position. And holy shit I didn't even see that every single shot was in the spine. I figured that was the hydrostatic shock factor and they were comatosed. I have a long way to go to notice such things. With all the experiences and animals I've harvested I'm still crawling like a baby when it comes to next level knowledge such as this. The kick in the ass was a good one Nathan.
11 Jun 2017
@ 06:48 pm (GMT)

mark whiteley

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
LOL
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Resources/Discussion+Forums/x_forum/18/thread/14000.html
its kill shot clips off the best of the west over a year of producing a show for christs sake, time to take a chill pill, its entertainment
LOL
that type of rest is used by people who require the most stable rest for highest degree of accuracy and precision all the time
the bench rest and long range shooting crew
for a scenario where you would be sitting waiting for game to come out into your shooting area this rest would not be a burden
you should never feel like a jackass for posting a question Greg
this is a discussion forum
regards Mark
12 Jun 2017
@ 05:11 am (GMT)

Greg Quick

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Hey Mark. The jack ass comment was somewhat of a joke . You gotta know my humor. I give myself shit as much as I give it to others, pay it forward right? I get the pros and cons for the forend rest in the video. As Chris pointed out, he would rather have survival gear take up that weight than that rest. If I'm humping a pack out far, I'd agree. If I'm dusting the trails being a road warrior on the quad and could get to a high vantage point then I could see where it'd be useful. What I like about it was that it wasn't a bipod but made a stable looking platform that didn't dick with harmonics. . I've got big country here to glass and wait for animals to come
Into feeding areas. On the other hand getting proficient shooting off a pack would be more beneficial since you could do that without any extra gear. Always looking at new ways to improve my game with both shooting and hunting hence why I'm here. Thanks for the input!
12 Jun 2017
@ 07:44 am (GMT)

Chris Murphy

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Yes Mark it is a show and entertainment. the problem is new hunters are watching this and thinking this is the way to do it not getting the fundamentals right and are wounding a lot of animals. I shoot over my pack as does Nathan, the pack is just as steady as any bi or tri pod and will give you contestant repeat ability and is optimum for precise accuracy
12 Jun 2017
@ 09:22 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
As Chris said, I stand by this.

I have been working with Greg here but also one on one. He wants my help so this is it. He is in no danger of being offended. He has high goals and rifle challenges to work through. Having re-watched the vid versus the books, Greg has isolated the issues I spoke about and can observe cause and effect. Each of these factors will help him reach his goals and gain the edge he is looking for.
13 Jun 2017
@ 05:22 pm (GMT)

Greg Quick

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Thanks Nathan. Yes, I'm in no danger of being offended. First off, I'm a white American male. Is offending me even possible? Not because I'm better than anyone because I'm certainly not. simply just for the fact that I'm a white American male half the world hates me anyway, let alone that I was a U.S. soldier too. That's a double dose of hate. Just ask any Syrian in Iraq, they'll tell you all about it, ha! Chris. Great point about some young-un's watching these videos and wanting to mimic them. Like people do with Hollywood hero types. I didn't even think about that. Mainly because I'm in no way such a person. I've lost one elk in my day and I punched my tag and went home. I knew he was dead (wherever he is) and so that's when my hunt ended. Definitely not gut shooting animals and laughing and then looking for the next animal to gut shoot. I don't even varmint hunt. My rule is, "if I don't eat it, I don't shoot it". I'm no young buck just getting into this game. I am however just getting my feet wet with such in depth knowledge with Nathan's teachings. You can shoot plenty of animals and have plenty of rifles and not realize just how much more there really is to it all. I've killed my fair share of game and have shit tons of trigger time complimentary of the U.S. Army. That being said, I can admit that even with all that I still have so much to learn. Nathan's books alone have humbled me in that regard. I always can man up and know where I need improving and never ignorant enough to think I can't be taught better ways. sorry for the rant just had to make my stance clear on all this. the morale of the story is, I get the tripod thing isn't that cool. I got it. Get good at shooting off the pack. No fancy bull shit. Good talk!
13 Jun 2017
@ 05:55 pm (GMT)

Chris Murphy

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
Haha good chat Greg! your onto it the simpler you keep this game the easier it is. i myself use to shoot with a bipod and pulled off some great shots but every now and then i would miss a shot and couldn't work out why, got rid of the bipod and now when i miss i know why and i know ive missed as soon as ive pulled the trigger
13 Jun 2017
@ 10:53 pm (GMT)

Mark Whitaker

Re: Tripod forend rest for hunting?
As we're talking about bipods, I came across this one a few years ago and this discussion triggered my memory of the Eberlestock RASR. there are a bunch of youtube videos of it.

I haven't bought one but I always thought it was a good compromise.

Any thoughts?

 

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