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Check weld importance?

06 Apr 2017
@ 02:55 pm (GMT)

Todd Firth

Probably opening a can of worms here. There's been a lot of talk about proper cheek weld and shooting form and holding your face just right when shooting long range accurately. I agree to these principles...usually. However, some of that went out the window when I was given the opportunity to shoot a pistol 1,000 yds. Yes that's spelled right. It was a 6br, 20"" bbl build on a savage 10 bolt action. Pistol grip with no butt stock. To top it off, it was scoped with a bsa platinum scope. Haha, yes that's spelled right as well. The fore end was supported, the grip wasn't. With my face floating 3" behind the bell and both hands on the grip, the gun hit 8 out 10 on a 10" lollipop @ 1,000 yds. Thus blowing away the human weld to the weapon importance theory. Also blowing away the junk scope theories. At least with that particular type of weapon. Had a crowd behind me deliriously spotting in disbelief and laughter. I repeated that scenario a few times more, until I hit some dud loads the owner of the gun had conjured up to see if I was flinching.lol. Point being, form or not, cheap stuff or not, if it goes where you want it too, the way you want it too, go with it.

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07 Apr 2017
@ 08:52 pm (GMT)

Clive Judd

Re: Check weld importance?
Hi Todd,

A great 'can of worms', but the perfect place to raise it....to clarify I do not know much about long eye relief scopes, so my experience on this is limited to what I know of standard eye relief scopes, id assume however its the same.

I don't write much on the forums as im putting a considerable amount of time and effort into developing product, but as such I have taken considerable time to research the importance of product design in relation to technique in relation to application....or perhaps the reverse is more accurate.

Regardless of what you do, if you do the same thing every time, you will get the same result, but how easy it is to achieve the same thing every time is situation dependent, and different shooting applications sometimes call for a different approach.
To put something into perspective:
- perfect eye to scope position is not a by product of cheek weld, cheek weld is basically a tool that some people use to get there, and there are different ways to do that (as you found out).

More to follow, have to tend to the family

07 Apr 2017
@ 11:30 pm (GMT)

Clive Judd

Re: Check weld importance?
Following on from before, I have found both through observation and experience that there is three main methods people use

1 - fully relaxed head, head's weight is supported by the stock
2 - Cheek/jaw indexed contact, head supported by muscles, simply touching the stock.
3 - Zero contact on the stock

They all have there pro's and con's and where they best fit.



08 Apr 2017
@ 12:08 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Check weld importance?
Show me the video of said Worms in for mentioned can being opened from a thousand paces with magic hands free can opener? Moo squirt !
08 Apr 2017
@ 05:15 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Check weld importance?
I for one did not appreciate his bragging attitude and would not say BS, but let us see that video before hand. Also just because he might have done it, means nothing at all about cheap scopes being good. That is just trolling for responses.

'nuff said.
08 Apr 2017
@ 08:42 am (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: Check weld importance?
Clive your points are spot on.

As with many areas of shooting it is a personal thing. My observations have me leaning into the relaxed check weld camp to produce the most consistent results.

Have seen many junior shooters produce excellent accuracy with non fitted 22's, holding their heads completely off of the stocks. These same kids commented after l fitted the gun to them how easy it was to shoot now.

I have to have check support now due to some neck stuff going on, so its one of the first things l set up.
27 Apr 2017
@ 02:50 am (GMT)

Brayten Torsak

Re: Check weld importance?
Just because it can be done with a cheap scope and no butt stock does not mean that is the best way to do it. The most consistent long range shooters are full rifles that provide a good cheek weld are better for the long range game in general. Yes it can be done with a pistol but in my opinion rifles are more practical for long range applications.
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