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30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range

03 May 2016
@ 07:17 am (GMT)

David Byrnes

Nathan I just watched your youtube vid on bullet performance; very interesting.

I know what I am asking is a big ask of a projectile but what in your opinion is the best bullet to use to be able to effectively take deer up to Sambar size from anywhere between 40 and 500yards?

My current load is the first load I worked up in my Sauer 202 XT with a Swaro Z3 4-14X50BT, which is 165 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips with a MV of 2777fps with a SD of 5fps and consistent three shot grouping of 0.5MOA.

The main game I pursue are big mountain boars, Fallow, Red and Sambar in the mountains of NSW and Victoria.

I ask as I am concerned about the 165Gn BTs ability to hold up under high velocity in close. Alternatively I also have on hand Nosler 165Gn Accubonds but conversely not sure of their performance out long. I state this due to my experiences with the 8mm 200grain Accubond on a Red Deer this time last year (picture below).

The Red was hit at about 60 yards with the 200Gn AB from my 8X57, muzzle velocity was 2560fps, broadside straight through the shoulder, halfway up the body. The bullet exited. He ran straight downhill 50 yards and dropped dead, likely dead on his feet.

What surprised me though was I found two other wounds from fragmentation, of what I suspect was the nose of the projectile. Both of these where found on the off side of the deer, under the skin, visible by the bleeding under the skin with a small section of jacket lodge there. The first was just forward of the point of the pelvis and the other was was just forward of the pizzle.

Hence the concern that the Accubond would not open up out long at 500 where velocity would be about 1800fps.

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03 May 2016
@ 07:28 am (GMT)

David Byrnes

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
Sorry guys I cant seem to get the image posted.
03 May 2016
@ 06:04 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
Hi David welcome to the forum.

i highly recommend purchasing the cartridge book it'll cover this and so much more, i refer to my copy often and one of the best buys i have ever made.

some times we ask a lot of a projectile to not blow up at bush ranges and to perform well out long, this is where dual loading excels.

i highly recommend stepping up in your projectile weight as this will help up close and with a higher bc will help maintain velocity out long.

not sure if you have read this yet but should be of help.
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.30-06+Springfield.html
03 May 2016
@ 10:41 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
+1 What Thomas just said and to say Nosler Partition bullets might be good for your application.
03 May 2016
@ 11:24 pm (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
Another possible option could be the Woodleigh PP 180gn 65B, will suit 3006 velocities and should be easier to get a hold of.
May pull up a little short of your 500 yards though, but l'd give em a go on the game that you have listed, with careful shot placement on the longer shots.


Just a thought (zero experience with these yet) a 178 Hornady ELD-X could also get a run in this role with some care at the start.........
03 May 2016
@ 11:24 pm (GMT)

David Byrnes

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
I have read the 30-06 Knowledge base but will re-read.

Nathan what was your conclusions on the Nosler AB after writing this
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Wound+Database/.30+cal+-+Nosler+Accubond.html?
04 May 2016
@ 02:49 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: 30-06 Ideal Bullet Mid Range
Hi David, I would not use the AB as it is neither fish nor fowl for your intended application. The 165gr BT is even worse.

As Thomas said, if you read the cartridges book, you will have your answers so please consider this.

In the interim, I want you to shop for the 200gr ELD-X. You can read the book to obtain why I am recommending this type of bullet to you.

Have a shop around for Superformance powder. If you cannot find this, then go with 2209.

I would like to see you run this bullet for a period of 6 months, then decide whether you need to change loads or dual load which is still a wise option.

Recoil will seem hefty but this will be the fault of your optics eye relief, not the actual load. Also, make sure you do not have to dial up to maximum travel as this optic suffers a wandering zero when dialed high (under recoil, not some silly gun magazine review box test). From center, you can dial up to half way. After that, all bets are off in the accuracy department. Again, if you need more info, read the book series.

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