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remington 700 long range
@ 02:00 am (GMT) |
Sebastian Shandso i was all amped up to embark on a custom build and had ideas left right and centre on what i was going to build, and then my work barge decided it wanted to catch on fire so I'm out of work and money for quite some time until it gets repaired. so i thought i would hunt around for something to fill the gap in the mean time i could tinker around with and set up as a all rounder / long range rifle for hunting and a bit of gong killing. i decided that a 300 win mag or a 300 wsm would be the way to go as they are common and everyone makes them also they have the power and weight to achieve what i need in a rifle.i was at my local gun shop last night and they had a remington 700 long range 300 win mag someone had bought and then decided it kicked to much so traded it in on a lever action blr 270, yeap he's one of those confused type lol. anyway they said to take it home and give it go on the range to see if i like it. found a gap in the rain this morning long enough to sight it in but not do any serious group testing. i like how it shoots the re coil is fine and fits me well. i only have a pack of federal 150grain to trial with so hope it gives me half decent idea on its potential. the weight doesn't bother me much as I normally hunt with a cz 375 mag. it has had thread cut for a suppressor but i don't think i will bother putting one on. it has a vortex crossfire ll 6 to 18 x 44 on a one piece rail unsure of the rings. they want $1700 for it but i can probably knock them down further then that. anyway what I'm wondering is what are peoples thoughts on these rifles and when reloading with 200grain + projectiles will i encounter magazine length issues etc etc. also i will swap out the vortex scope for something else and may change the rail to 20moa etc etc. I'm not a fan of the 4pound trigger so i guess thats got to go as well..... |
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@ 05:14 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: remington 700 long rangeHi Sebastian I have no experience with the stock on the long range. But the trigger will need replacing or tuning and mag length will be fine you will also find one you start reloading the 300 to its potential (208 Amax) lthere will be a notable increase in recoil from factory rounds. Will be a good set up with bedding etc |
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@ 05:51 am (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeok thats good to know i was bit concerned about coals being to long for the mag.so i suppose i can swap it out for a jewell trigger or timney, what are your thoughts on a replacement?? i put 10 rounds down the barrel of federal 150grain power shok, the barrel was completely de coppered and clean when i started. took a few shots to get it on paper and then the rain came thru so took it back inside and gave the barrel a clean out. looks to me like its coppering up quite quickly but evenly around all the grooves. note that photo of coppered barrel is after 1 round of hoppes no. 9 and boretec copper solvent sorry about the photo quality my iPhone was being bit gun shy looking down the barrel. 
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@ 06:15 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: remington 700 long rangeI'm running a timny on my sendero and I love it. your Marlborough aren't you? Your welcome to come have a go to get the feel. As for the fowling the barrel will probably need a good break in could have rough lands. |
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@ 08:21 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeyeap I'm way out the end of the sounds near durville island. cheers chris that would be good actually, its always nice to try before ya buy.i could be wrong but the chamber seems to be quite rough cut as the cases have some big scratches and gauges in it after firing, more then I've ever seen in my other rifles. |
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@ 08:24 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeif i decided i didnt want a pipe bomb or muzzle jaw breaker on the end would i be better to get the thread chopped and re crown? taking the barrel back to 25inches give or take |
@ 08:50 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: remington 700 long rangeLooks almost like a poxy half inch thread? Am guessing the thread is actually M14, still seems like a great waste of material. Could have used an M16 thread on that beast. Anyway, yes, cut it away if you want to.These are a good rig. Just keep the bore free of rust as per the book series. I have specific shooting tips for this rifle in the final book. Looks as though the bore has yet to be properly run in and conditioned. Again, follow the Accurizing book. Rough chambers do occur in the Rem line from time to time. This can be cleaned up if need be. Would be good to try some Superfomance 180gr SST through the rifle. Expensive but it will tell you if the chamber is sticky. Load will go around 3130fps based on my observations of current batches. |
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@ 09:32 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeyes its quite upsetting when people do that to a perfectly good barrel unfourtanly the previous owner isn't renowned for good decision making.i was hoping to go stainless but if this will cover all my needs i can live with it. i will see if they mind me hanging on to the rifle for another week until i can track down some sst to try in it, i don't think it will be a problem as they are good guys at the gun shop. i just want to make sure i can get this shooting well before i buy it as i don't have the time and money to be throwing at a lemon right now. if i decide its more hassle then its worth what other make and models would you recommend trying? my preferences are -left hand but not a deal breaker as i have used righthand my whole life. -stainless would be nice but I'm not set on it. -under 2grand if its a bare rifle. -heavier barrel no flimsy noodles. i had my eyes on the remington 700 xcr ll before i saw the long range. not sure what they are like tho. |
@ 10:08 pm (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: remington 700 long rangeHey Sebastian. Here's one in Hamilton on TM ! With a 20 MOA basehttp://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/rifles/centrefire/auction-1059030299.htm |
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@ 10:11 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: remington 700 long rangeThis should be a good rig. The barrel can be replaced with stainless once this one is shot out.The rifles go for $1500-1600 new from memory, so make sure the scope is worth its salt. Looks like an entry / base level long range model. You'll need to do some tests as per the book series. If it passes the tests (it should), then all will be well and good. Optically it should get you out to around 800 yards without fuss. Nice to have a bit more zoom if shooting longer but not a deal breaker. Rings appear to be Burris standard rings. The rail looks like a standard Weaver extended rail. May have some cant in it already. Base $70, rings (standard without inserts) $80?. Scope value second hand? For a cheaper left hand heavy barrel rig, you could also look into Savage but I think you'll find poor representation in NZ at present. Tikka do offer their Varmint rifle in left hand but the magazine is way too short for .300 Win Mag. You would need to find aftermarket bottom metal for AI .300 Win Mag magazines, then make the necessary mods. |
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@ 11:45 pm (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangei saw that on there Warwick but wrong calibre unfortunately.i have several vortex and have been quite happy with them but will run this thru a dial test to make sure its all true. once i have the money i will drop a night force on top. so gave it a scrub out and removed most of the copper and ran thru my last 10 rounds. far from mind blown but I'm confident its not a fan of the ammo so will try sst if i can find any. its not much to go off but it does appear to be grouping smaller and smaller as it fouls up 
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@ 12:40 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: remington 700 long rangehi Sebastian.sounds like it could be a good enough buy. it looks like it does have some promise, considering its not broken in, unbedded and has a heavy trigger. be interesting to see how it behaves with those superformance rounds. one option is the varmint tikka but in 300wsm, you'll have to read up on Nathan's cartridge book for the pro's and con's as usual. |
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@ 01:04 am (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeyeah i think with the basic tune ups and a nice hand load it should do the trick ay. i'll see if they will knock the price down for me as well.they look pretty good but might be bit more then id like to spend right now i think. there short magazines are quite annoying, not sure if the wsm has the same issue |
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@ 01:13 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: remington 700 long rangeYes wsm have same issue in tikka you need modify the mags I made one out of a wsm and a long mag (270/30-06) size |
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@ 07:45 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: remington 700 long rangethat's good to know Chris cheers.do the standard wsm have a block at rear like the 308win mags? be interesting to see what they change on the new tikka model. |
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@ 08:03 am (GMT) |
Chris MurphyRe: remington 700 long rangeYes they are basically same length as 308 mag but are wider. There is two ways to do it. grind out sides of a long mag or what I did was use the wsm mag grind block out of back and use floor plate from long mag ( the wsm floor plate bound up being too short. |
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@ 08:48 am (GMT) |
Sebastian ShandRe: remington 700 long rangeso I'm going to start getting projectiles together and looking on workshop innovations site they have the new eld hornady range i thought i might as well start with them seeing as the amax is going out of fashion. I'm guessing that the ELD M for match will be similar to the amax and the ELD X is kinda the new sst???anyone using the 210grain vld bergers for hunting? worth a go or just stick to horny D? |
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@ 07:41 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: remington 700 long rangeYes, ELD-M is the A-MAX and ELD-X is a hybrid between the A-MAX and SST, the form is unique.Steer clear of the current 210gr VLD. As Thomas said, see the book series and cartridges book for more info. |
@ 09:38 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: remington 700 long rangeYeah, get the books, use the info contained, step through it with bedding etc. and it will shoot very well for a long time. You may be able to tune the original trigger with the info as well and save 200+ odd dollars, all mine still run the factory units.Chop that muzzle, re-crown, give it a lap to help carm the fouling and it will shoot nicely with the Hornady 208's over 2217. I use the Bergers for training and rock plinking only. The supply of all projectiles have been sporadic (here in OZ) and l have been forced to hunt with the 210's and had very mixed results........ so l reserve the 208's for hunting. In mine these both shoot the same PIO which is very handy! I also run a mild load of 2213sc under the 168's for training & light game, reduces the recoil and wear whilst keeping the round count up. |
@ 08:55 pm (GMT) |
Jon ShortRe: remington 700 long rangeI have a 7mm RM Remmington Long Range which I full length bedded & worked up a load for. I also replaced the crap trigger for a timney. I fitted canted weaver bases from memory, Burris Z rings & a Sightron S3 scope.The action machining I felt was a bit rough too in comparison to other manufacturers but this gets better/smoother with use. Occasionally it doesn't eject a case which shits me a bit. Seems to be the same case though so have thrown that out. Mine copper fowled a fair bit initially but came right after run in procedure & following some advise from Nathan re a bit of a polish etc. Now it's a slow fowler but that's ok with me. Accuracy is excellent with my best group a clover leaf @ 100 yds & most groups around 1.2 or a tad over. I found the fore end very slippery/hard to hold onto under recoil so what I did was buy some black 3m Marine grip tape, cut it to shape & fitted it ea side of the fore end. Problem solved. A big improvement. After having bedded a number of Howas, this rifle action was much easier to bed. The alloy is fkg hrad & slow to dremmel tho. A good rig I reckon, just a shame Remingtons machining is at times below par compared to others. Cheers, Jon |
@ 10:22 pm (GMT) |
Kelly KunzRe: remington 700 long rangeI've got a 700 L R Stainless in 300 WM that shoots coated 155 gr match bullets and RL-22 @3450fps with 3 shots clustering less than 1/2". I took Nathan's book to heart and used the stainless steel polish to the bore removing the slight crowning tool pilot marks and other abnormalities out of the bore which greatly reduced the fouling problems. I was able to tune the factory trigger with a lighter spring down to 2 1/2 lbs. The recoil isn't bad at all with the 155gr. Bullet. I like to shoot light and fast which translates into a lazer- like trajectory to 500 yds. I had a Sendero style stock but 1 shooting session and too many rounds down the range convinced me the b Bell & Carlson stock had a softer recoil pad so I switched back to the factory configuration. These bigger magnums aren't a beginners rifle. I could imagine shooting 208 + gr. with maximum powder charges aren't for the faint of heart. I've killed 4 or 5 elk over the years with the distances averaging 500 yards and holdover with a 300 yard zero never exceeds the backbone. It's a very forgiving cartridge for holdover but get too relaxed & sloppy with your shooting position and your eyebrow may pay the price, ouch! The 300 I killed the elk with was a Browning A-Bolt with a 26" barrel....5 shots with that light rifle was all I wanted to endure at a time. But the Rem. 700 bull non-fluted 300 and the super soft recoil pad.... That's the way a 300 Winchester Magnum should be! I'll gladly carry the extra couple pounds all day for a far steadier and consistently accurate rifle. The extra confidence is worth the work out. Enjoy your rifle ! |
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