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Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr

08 Feb 2016
@ 03:41 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Dear All,

I'm in the market for a high end .22, as a small game, plinking and general shooting tool. I have a CZ that shoots great, but, and this is a big but, I'm gunning for top of the notch engineering.

Any of you has been exposed to the Anschutz 1710, gotta trust the Germans on that one. Advise appreciated.

Saludos!

Ricardo.

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08 Feb 2016
@ 07:10 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
The 1710 is a great rifle but so far I have not shot one of them. The one below (from their USA web site) I have shot locally and its accuracy and everything about it was very good indeed. I really like the two stage 5098 trigger.

1416 G 18" Threaded - Beavertail New..!!

MSRP: $1299.00
Caliber: .22lr
System: 64 bolt action repeater, 5098 two-stage trigger, blued finish.
Weight: 6 lbs, 4 oz.
Barrel Length: 18" heavy weight barrel, threaded 1/2" x 28 tpi, no iron sight provision.
Magazine Capacity: 5
Stock Style: Beavertail walnut.
08 Feb 2016
@ 07:43 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Ricardo I'd stick with the Cz mate. Blueprint the action, fit a match grade barrel and a nice Sightron scope! You'll end up with a super accurate 22LR. Just my 10 cent opinion.!
09 Feb 2016
@ 12:18 am (GMT)

Helmut Pleiter

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Hi Ricardo
Now if the good people at Anschuetz could bring themselves to manufacture a 22lr for hunting with a Fortner straight pull action and a large capacity compact magazine, than I would be really interested in having a look. But up until now they are only doing that with the .17HMR and a 4 or 5 shot mag.
I have looked at the website in the biathlon section, and apparently they do sell parts for those rifles. One could maybe go the custom route, but I haven't been able to locate any retailers, even in Germany.
Coming back to your question: If you are after top notch engineering usually combined with rather nice timber, then go for it. From a practical point of view, Warwick is probably right; you can only squeeze so much accuracy out of the trusty old 22lr, and an accurised CZ will probably take you there.
Cheers, Helmut
09 Feb 2016
@ 06:41 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
hi ricardo.
please check full details of any rifle your considering, look for design and recoil lugs as Nathan talks about in his books.
the anschutz looks good round receiver and remington/savage sandwich style recoil lug.

lithgow of australia have just brought out a 22lr with a high price around $1200nz (cz's are around $800nz) and every thing about this gun seems wrong its so badly designed you would think there cricket team had something to do with it (sorry ya ozzie but might as well get a kick in while your down ha ha).
even there trigger system is so bad they will sell you a second spring to reduce pull weight but those 2 springs are your only options
09 Feb 2016
@ 01:20 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Quote:
Ricardo I'd stick with the Cz mate. Blueprint the action, fit a match grade barrel and a nice Sightron scope! You'll end up with a super accurate 22LR. Just my 10 cent opinion.!


if you check Rimfire Central.com you will note the CZ rifles are not always perfect, and many people who frequent those forums are epoxy bedding with pillars as well as installing Lija match barrels.

In contrast, I have not seen an Anchutz that needed the extra attention, and the main issues are a lack of options for after market parts to improve on things like triggers, although given the two stage is darned good, I am not sure it is needed.
09 Feb 2016
@ 06:16 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
I just checked out the online Anschutz custom shop in Los Vagas USA. They are about 6 months behind on things there and had photos and specs of some nice looking rifles. I did also note that the rifles I read about there all had epoxy bedding jobs and the single stage or dual stage match triggers.

http://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/custom-shop.html

09 Feb 2016
@ 10:28 pm (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Bedded 6 CZ's to get them shooting consistently with different ammo types, 22lr & 22mag. Overrated as a standard factory rifle me's thinks.
Triggers are average & machining finish is rubbish. They all shot well after but they took some work.
The Anschutz is a well machined rifle with a good trigger and a classic design that will bed easily (think Remington style). Big $ for a 22 though!

As for the Lithgow's.......... I'II bite and l won't wait for the crowd to change the umpires mind, hahahahaaa.
They look a bit crazy with the stock design!! and yes you need to get the $11 spring to lower the trigger weight, but at least they offer a factory option unlike most others. The action is very smooth and the two l have tried shot very well with a nice crisp trigger (light spring). I didn't get to split the action from the stock (to look at design) but the machining quality and finish was excellent. Out of my $ range but l'd have one in the safe.
10 Feb 2016
@ 12:11 am (GMT)

Michael Rayner

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
A had a CZ 22 for a few years, was a good of rifle not a great one, trigger was pretty awful lots of creep. Best day I had with it was when a club guy told me to weight sort my ammo and it blew my mind at 100 meters. You might want to try that and replace the trigger first. I replaced it with a Ruger 17 hmr varmint that has been fantastic if I use only one brand of ammo, especially once I replaced the trigger spring and sear. My cousin is a very good small bore club shooter and if I was serious about small bore I'd have to get an Anschutz or I think he said Weihrauch. If you can get that Anschutz I'm sure you won't be disappointed, and if you have a small bore club nearby I'd pop down and have a chat to some of them too.
10 Feb 2016
@ 06:16 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
you might be on to something martin with some good things about the crossover specially fit and finish.
looking into it, it has a recoil lug dovetailed into the action that the back action screw feeds through its all a bit odd.
http://www.lithgowarms.com/guns-and-game-magazine-review-of-the-la101-crossover/ this shows action out of the stock

the ruger 77/22 have good reputation not sure if the mid mounted bolt lugs makes the difference, the have scaled the action up now for 44mag and 357mag.
10 Feb 2016
@ 03:39 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
For the CZ .22LR rifles, here is a link to a decent trigger that i know works well.

http://riflebasix.com/product/ceska-zbrojovka-452-trigger-cz-52/

fits 452 and 455 CZ rifles.
10 Feb 2016
@ 03:42 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Martin is correct about the ease of bedding the Annie. Mine was really simple to do and does .25 inch groups at 50 meters.
10 Feb 2016
@ 09:32 pm (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
My old Norinco has a dovetailed recoil lug but it's in the barrel! A cheap partial copy of a Brono/CZ in some ways but it shoots well and very consistently after bedding. The Anshcutz is definitely the better design than either!

I have found the harmonics of the different loads ie; subsonic v high velocity really plays havoc with most unbedded 22's. PIO jumps in all sorts of directions along with group size.

My CZ 22mag deluxe was a great example, wish l had a picture of the target l shot with 5 different brands of ammo. Using the same aim point it walked all over the card in distinct groups by inches at 50 metres with the Hornady Vmax centred @ 1.5". After bedding all groups tightened (Vmax .75) and PIO only moved vertically with very slight horizontal changes.
10 Feb 2016
@ 11:10 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Another interesting discussion.

The primary point that we need to take into consideration is that you cannot hand load a .22 and tune loads to the barrel.

Options include testing a range of ammo- which can be a pain if you are a culler / commercial hunter and need to focus on only a few brands of budget ammo or those that kill the best as apposed to small hollow point types.

Or as suggested (and a great idea), weight sort your ammo.

Beyond this, you have little control besides the usual bedding and trigger work.

So should you buy the most expensive rifle? Well this is again tough because all rifles like different ammo. A small game culler could for example buy a high end rifle, only to find that the rifle only likes x brand of ammo which he doesn't want to use due to costs or difficulty obtaining a decent supply. The same can happen with cheaper rifles too of course. My point is, without being able to control the ammo, you are at the mercy of factory components. There is no guarantee that your rifle will shoot much less than 1" at 50 yards with the ammo you want to use. Its a fingers crossed game.

I have had a good run with Anschutz in the past but also a good run with CZ, though I do prefer the former for reasons others have outlined. I have found Anschutz to be the least finicky with a variety of loads- but then I have seen some CZ's shoot (winchester subs) into 1 ragged hole at 50 yards. You have all answered this topic with valid points.

From my own perspective, fast handling and a high magazine capacity are a must so I tend to work with the Ruger 10/22. Furthermore, Steph is a lefty and she has in the past also used the .22 for commercial work. The 10/22 can be a pain to work through but once all the work is done, it serves our purpose.

Marty's QC points should be taken into due consideration, some very good points throughout this thread.

This is something that Helmut and I regularly discuss at length as we have and do use the .22 commercially. Commercial work really puts rifles to the test, right down to such factors as using a blued barrel in the evening / dark when moisture / rust is a concern, fur in the action, carbon build up, bedding, shot to kill ratio from night to night and week to week, shot to kill ratio versus us (our skill on the night) versus the performance of the ammo versus the inherent accuracy of the rifle. And the big one- cost of rifle versus the "chance" of the rifle shooting our preferred ammo accurately.

In summary, if you can't alter the loads, you may have to alter the rifle whether that means accurizing, rebarreling or trading.
11 Feb 2016
@ 02:46 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Super useful responses and info. To be honest, this .22 is not intended for "high volume" shooting by Kiwi standards, small game density over here in Mexico is not comparable - but - antelope jackrabbits are huge and sporting during the day.

Although my CZ shoots, it's not pretty by any standard, carrying over it's old Soviet ancestry I believe. The Anschutz, on the other hand, is beautiful. So performance and looks are the drivers...

Saludos!
11 Feb 2016
@ 08:29 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Nathan summed it up nicely. My approach with a Ruger 10/22 I bought around 8 years ago was to more recently take it out of its hiding place in the back of my gun safe, put a Shilen barrel on it, added a Victor Company USA stock on it which stabilizes the rear of the action and provides a well designed aluminum block for the front of the receiver, and a good scope.

Then after chasing accuracy by shooting a few dozen boxes of different brands, I found that Lapua CenterX rounds shot into a ragged hole at 50 years, so I bought a case of 5,000 rounds all from one lot. It will last me awhile all right. Does a wonderful job on head shooting upland game birds, rabbits, gophers, and targets too. The lower velocity seems to put down small game very fast - much like the old .22 shorts I used to shoot from an ancient Cooey .22 lr many years ago.
12 Feb 2016
@ 08:50 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Anschutz 1710 High End .22lr
Ricardo as long as it works faultlessly and is accurate . Does how it looks really matter?
The best 22LR I've found factory standard.... for mag capacity 21rounds of 22shorts. 15 rounds 22Long Rifle. Pinpoint accuracy(Winchester Hushpower ammo) and handy handling (Opossum shooting) was my BC Miroku22 Lever action a Japanese made BL22 Browning . Best round count 45possums with 46 shots.
Not semi auto so no live round always in the chamber quick and quiet with suppressor to use. Easy to uncock hammer for safety. The only downside is its slow to reload 21 cartridges into the tube mag. So i would top it up between trees. A very practical tool that did its job well. It's stuck in Australia thanks to the Queensland police stuffing me around when Ive applied for permit to get it and 3 other guns back to NZ . None of them know what to do? So my Brother has them in his safe.
I took a Winchester 63 semi-auto22 out for a shot last night boy is it accurate and its 79 years old!!!!!!! made in 1937...... $450 Its not pretty. Been put away wet or some other event. But its a shooter.
 

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