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The "One"der Gun

21 Jan 2016
@ 09:48 pm (GMT)

Benjamin Tangeman

Hello all.

This is my first post to the forum. I've been visiting this site for a year or two now and finally ordered one of Nathan's books for my brother for Christmas. Eager to get the next one for me. Probably his second.

In the mean time I have a couple things I'd like to get some input on.

First, a little about me and my goals. I live and hunt in the eastern US where my main quarry is whitetail deer with the potential for boar, black bear and a hope for some trips to hunt our western states for Mule deer, antelope and elk. I've been hunting with 7mm-08 for years and am impressed with its performance on the whitetail I have taken with it. In addition to hunting I am keen on the idea of range shooting.

Now to the topic/questions:
1. My brother has recently adopted the 300 WSM, built a rifle and developed a load he likes. Up until now my preference has been the 7mm's. I like the idea of there efficiency. However my brothers success and my desire to build a new rifle I have been considering adopting the 30 caliber myself. I am not sure that I want a magnum, and have been leading towards the 30-06 for the versatility. I know Nathan's general rule is that if 90% of your game is greater than 90 kg (I think) that the 30 magnums come into their own and make sense. However, I am wondering if there are other reasons why it may make more sense to adopt the 300 WSM over the 30-06? (Recoil has not been a problem for me up to this point; having shot up to a 30-378 belonging to my uncle.) Should I just stick with the 7mm-08 or adopt another 7mm? Ultimately I'm looking for the max performance within realistic flexibility. Maybe I'm just thinking to hard....

2. The next question comes to your thoughts on the rifle itself. I've been looking for a gun that will support a single caliber hunting style and yet allow the load to be as efficient in it's flexibility as it can be. The 3 rifles I have found so far that will support the 30-06 or 300 WSM are the Remington 700 Long Range, Sako A7 Roughtech (Pro/Range) and the Savage 11/111 Long Range Hunter. I would prefer the Sako, but the Remington's price point is kinder to my means at the moment. These all have barrel contours and lengths that will allow for field work as well as bench rest, actions and features that allow for a limited amount of upgrading and just look cool to me.

I appreciate your time reading, this is longer than I expected. I'm excited to learn what I can from those who care to share.



21 Jan 2016
@ 10:44 pm (GMT)

Joshua Mayfield

Re: The "One"der Gun
Hi Benjamin - welcome aboard. The first thing I'd say is that you won't regret reading Nathan's books. They not only provide information but also help a hunter/shooter understand why a lot of different things are and are not.

I am an eastern U.S. hunter like you and a big fan of the .30-06. I know, that's about as novel as being a fan of chocolate. For whitetail, hogs, and black bear you are never undergunned with a .30-06 unless you make an extremely poor choice in your loads. If you use factory ammo the choices of good ammunition are extensive and readily available. If you handload, the range of combinations you can try and situations you can load for is staggering with published loads out there for bullets as light as 110 gr. and all the way up to 250 gr. Some people don't view that as a plus, but I love it. I'm hoping to moose hunt in Maine and antelope hunt in the western plains and am confident that I'll be fine doing both with the same rifle.

I do not know the 300 WSM and won't try to say that it's a worse choice than the '06. But if you go to a 30 cal the '06 leaves very little to complain about unless your intent is to take hunting shots beyond 1000 yards. Nathan expressed it very well in his Cartridges book - the .30-06 is a terrific rifle for the shooter who is looking for ongoing self improvement.

As far as rifles go, you list 3 that are generally excellent and nicer rifles than mine. I'm the only guy I know of who's tried to customize a Thompson Center Venture. I mention it because it is offered in both the calibers you are looking into. It falls into the "value gun" pile but in my opinion is the best of the bunch. Nathan walked me through some basic stock work and 2 bedding jobs (I botched the first). I'm wrestling with trigger options right now. Anyhow, the Remington, Sako, and Savage would each offer you some nice features. I hope you'll post once you make a decision and take the leap. Good luck.
22 Jan 2016
@ 04:29 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: The "One"der Gun
hi Benjamin and welcome to the forum your in the right place to extend your knowledge.

i highly recommend as Joshua has said to buy Nathans books. the first two is a must by looking at your question it'll answer both plus more.

the 30.06 is one of those work horse do everything kinder cartridges and a good choice.
are you a handloader thou as this opens up a whole world of options compared to factory ammo and cartridges.

i would also recommend looking at the tikka varmint rifles (tikka t3 with heavier barrel) they should be in similar price range and will be a nice rifle with plenty of caliber options.

22 Jan 2016
@ 06:09 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: The "One"der Gun
Welcome Benjamin. I've just got a second hand BSA CF2 in 30-06 and I intend to rebarrel it making it a 35 Whelen.. 358 cal on the 06 case.
If you want to save money on reloading you could get the 300WSM the same as your brother has and share the costs. As your in the US and Remingtons have a great after market range of parts it's not a bad idea to do some costings to see what you are looking at dollar wise for the build?
23 Jan 2016
@ 12:09 am (GMT)

John Smith

Re: The "One"der Gun
Hello Benjamin,
Up until middle age I deer hunted in Virginia and West Virginia
with a 30.06. When I retired I moved to Oregon and then
Washington state. That's when recoil started to affect accuracy.
My first switch was to go to a Ruger No.l in .308. I collected
two elk and probably 8 blacktail deer with reloads. In Washington
I have harvested one elk with a Ruger No. lA in 7x57 and ten whitetail
and one mule deer also with a Ruger No.lA but in 6.5x55. Always
using my reloaded ammunition. Both of these European calibers produce
light recoil and get the job done. They are both a joy to shoot for
hunting and target practice.
02 Feb 2016
@ 06:09 pm (GMT)

Benjamin Tangeman

Re: The "One"der Gun
Thanks all for replying. I appreciate the time. The tikka is a good option as well and I have looked at it since Thomas' recommendation. It actually seems like it may be the best option but for the stock. I guess that is something I can always change if needed.
A couple guys have that I know around here have actually suggested the 7mm RM as a middle ground. I feel that while it is a great round there are too many cons to my specific situation to make it worth it.

I will keep you posted on what I get and when. Thanks again for all your input.



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