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Are the 700 clones universal?

23 Dec 2015
@ 03:43 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Here in North America, the 700 clones seem to be the go-to, be all/end all action to build on. I realize that this is due to some really good engineering and function, and I can see why it is the way it is. My question is this the same situation in Europe or Africa? What about the target people? Does everyone have the same opinion as us? I know there are a dozens of manufacturers of actions, and their names don't really matter, they all build "clones", and well they should. But globally, there must be another action that is just as highly regarded, isn't there?

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23 Dec 2015
@ 05:58 pm (GMT)

Cor Nepgen

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
Hi Paul,

I live in Cape Town South Africa and recently went through an exercise speaking to a couple of different gunsmiths about the actions they build on so might be able to provide a bit of feedback in terms of (South) Africa..

In terms of building hunting rifles, I think the M700 clones are still King here. It gets extremely expensive as the actions are imported and with the exchange rate it gets expensive fast. Occasionally Blueprinted M700 actions are also used. So for the most part it remains the same as the US.

Perhaps due to the popularity of the action I know quite a few people have also had rifles built on either Mauser or CZ actions and the actions remain very popular. I think the CZ 550 are amongst the top sellers and so some of these actions are used later for custom builds. Howa started selling really well and may be the top seller due to the price and accuracy but I have not yet seen or heard of a custom rifle built on this action.

The older Sako rifles are also very popular but I have not really heard of many people building rifles on the actions. Might be because the rifles never gets retired.

Apart from this I know for F class shooting one or two gunsmiths build their own actions. These actions are very solid and I think it more closely resembles the AI actions in how it mates to the stock/ chassis.

These are just my own experiences from speaking to people and what I observe so I stand to be corrected though. If you have not done so, I would highly recommend reading the Practical Guide to Long Range Hunting Rifles. I think the principles explained in the book rings true wherever you are in the world and clearly shows why certain actions are more popular than others.

Hope this helps.

Cor
23 Dec 2015
@ 09:07 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
Here in New Zealand we have these World class match winning actions

http://www.barnard.co.nz/

http://www.barnard.co.nz/actions.htm
23 Dec 2015
@ 09:24 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
Add a match barrel and the list of excuses
for missing becomes rather short..........also 69 US cents BUYS $1 NZ dollar ?

http://www.truefliteriflebarrels.co.nz/
24 Dec 2015
@ 05:58 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
Thanks, Cor. That's good info, and I appreciate your input. It's kind of what I figured was happening. I think what it boils down to is why try to re-invent the wheel. Remington did a good job,as well as the others, so is it worth it to start over? Someone, somewhere will come up with an alternative, and that's ok, because we don't want to become stagnant.

Warwick, I am very familiar with Barnard. I have a PL. It is truly a work of art. I am, however, in the same boat as yourself regarding the exchange rate. A little better, maybe. I think today it was 71 cents, but really, I am in no hurry to switch my cash over. It will turn the other way soon enough.

Barrels....well, barrels are barrels. Find one that works, stick with it. If it doesn't, what's Nathan's expression? Bin it. They really are an expendable, and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to their life span. I still have my first Savage. I couldn't tell you what year I bought it, but I can tell you without a doubt that it has a few (2350+, by count of primer boxes that are empty) rounds through it.
It now shoots a 1-1/4" three shot groups, so it's a boat gun. I thought I would get a second Savage because........well, because look at the first one. That second one was a real piece of sh#t. I tried to work up a load for it, and gave up. Maybe 200 rounds and nothing. It's up for sale.

Actions, however, last forever, or so it seems. My Long Branch is a year younger than yours, Warwick, and you know as well, there's not a thing wrong with it. (A side note here: your vernier sight is a totally different animal to mine, with that threaded adjuster. That is rather unique, never seen one like that.)

Starting to ramble.....must be time to go. Later.
24 Dec 2015
@ 06:26 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
Hey, sorry Warwick. It's late, and I just finished reading Thomas' post about his 35. Somehow, your name stuck in my head as OP. Again, sorry. (To Thomas as well)
24 Dec 2015
@ 11:39 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Are the 700 clones universal?
No harm done Peter lol. I get excited about a post and get the names of the poster wrong. Merry Christmas everyone. I'm outside listening for sleigh bell's? A red nosed trophy would be great on the wall! Hope you all enjoy your day with family and friends.
 

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