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Nosler Partition

07 Dec 2015
@ 07:19 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

From one of our members in the U.S:

Hello Nathan,

We recently put down two deer with the 257 Roberts. I was using the 115 Gr Nosler partitions. One deer was at 40 yards and the other was slightly over 250yds. The 115gr are getting pushed at approx 2750 fps. The 40 yd deer (135 lbs dressed) was a neck shot at ground level. DRT ... Hole going out was approx 2" in diameter about 6" lower than the brain stem. There was massive trauma all the way to the base of the neck. I salvage what I can from the neck area to make sausage.

The 250 yd deer was a large bodied buck that dressed at 175 lbs. I aimed for the shoulder and the bullet hit slightly higher than my point of aim. The deer went down, tried to get up then expired within seconds. The bullet made a complete pass through just under the spine, missing the top of the lungs. There was a large amount of blood in the lung area. The exit hole of the left shoulder was about 2" in diameter as it exited the meat (just under the hide) but about a half inch in diameter going through the hide. The right shoulder was broken and the damage to the left shoulder was extensive. The bruising on the right front shoulder was bad enough where I lost a lot of the meat. I spent a lot of time trying to salvage what meat I could from both shoulders.

Is this typical performance of the partition bullets? The neck shot was what I expected, but the chest / shoulder shot at 250+ yds surprised me. I hit quite a bit of bone and still got complete penetration.

Reading the new book. Excellent Job!!!!!


Hi Shawn, great result! In my experience, the vivid wounding is a result of both bullet weight loss (high energy transfer) plus retained velocity (and some SD) throughout penetration and exiting. The overall result is complete trauma.

Had you been using for example a Ballistic Tip, the wound might be the same diameter but it would not extend to such depths.

I have tried to convey how good this bullet can be in the KB (it also has its limits) but many people do not comprehend the extent of my meaning. If you take your result, then read my Swede article, you will have a more direct understanding of what I have been trying to say.

Having an exit wound is not always critical. If the bullet causes a great deal of trauma and kills in a reliable manner, there is naught to complain about. However, if a bullet can exit from a broadside shot, we are at the very least assured that it will penetrate to vitals with angled shots to a certain extent. It is my view that the dedicated bush / woods hunter should seek a bullet capable of creating an exit wound on broad side shots for these reasons as well as for tracking after a poor snap shot has been taken. On the other side of the coin, we do not want to sacrifice wounding for the sake of all out penetration.

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07 Dec 2015
@ 07:24 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Nosler Partition
And another from last week.

Note: The below email is after being put on the spot regarding "which bullet to take to Africa". I get emails like this often.

When I gave advice, I tried to offer a bullet for the mans .308 that would shed some weight to aid wounding (and due to possibly mild impact velocities) while at the same time, would have the basic construction needed for fully adequate penetration. The one downside of a heavy bullet in the .308 is that it starts slow and can lose speed quickly, resulting in dead running game due to a lack of both nervous and physical trauma.

There are several species of African animal that will go 300 yards or more with a smallish diameter lung shot and up to 500 yards if the wound is very narrow. This kind of thing puts me on the spot when giving advice. I could have pushed the idea of a lighter and more stoutly constructed bullet to increase trauma via high velocity, but instead, I pushed the idea of select shot placement- keep shots well forwards. And again, some bullet weight loss would be helpful for trauma. Although possibly more lack luster in performance, the heavy bullet with its very soft front section would hopefully prove consistent from varying angles at varying ranges (I was also aware that the guy would be shooting to around 300 yards or so max).


Hi Nathan!

Just wanted to report back on my friends trip to Namibia. He went down there with his 308W and 180gr Nosler Partitions. I loaded them to 770m/s. The load was very accurate in is Sako A7 SS, and ES showed +/- 1m/s. Well a couple of days before he took off we talked to a guy who had been to the same place 3 times. He was strongly against my friend using 308W and even worse Nosler Partition. I asked him why and got a shit storm of crap.

My friend who is not a very experienced hunter got a little nervous, so I had to calm him down telling him that his new load would do more damage than just leaving blue spots on the animals... We talked a lot about shot placement and i gave him drawings/photos of an oryx and hartebeast with the vitals on it.‎ We sighted in 6cm high on 100m, and i talked him through the ballistics and even gave him a very simple 0-300m dropchart to study just so he could be familiar/comfortable with his PBR.

The result... He shot 15 animals in 16 shots. Everything but 1 animal dropped in its tracks. The shots was taken from 50 - 220 meters standing with shooting stick. Among the animals was 7 oryx and 1 hartebeast...

When I saw him after he returned, he smiled and said: "I'll go back there any time with my 308W and NPs!!!"

The truth is - the other hunters on that trip had listened to the man I mentioned before and loaded up with heavy for caliber, A-frames, TSX and other very hard bullets ‎. They had to use 3-5 shots/animal...

Nathan - Thanks for your advice- it was a true success!
07 Dec 2015
@ 07:26 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Nosler Partition
Guys, please keep in mind that the Partition does have its limitations. It is not a miracle bullet. Nevertheless, in a world where it seems that anything old must be inferior, I thought you might enjoy reading and learning from these examples.
07 Dec 2015
@ 07:52 pm (GMT)

Cor Nepgen

Re: Nosler Partition
Very informative and interesting. Thank you for sharing, especially considering how tough these animals are.

Cheers, Cor
08 Dec 2015
@ 12:29 am (GMT)

Shawn Bevins

Re: Nosler Partition
Nathan, I do thank you for your help and reply. This was really my first experience with the partitions in this rifle. Originally they didn't shoot well. With a little load work and giving the bullet a jump, they came into there own. I don't consider the 257 Roberts a long range round but here in the Northeast US it can hold its own on whitetail. After seeing the results, I have a lot more confidence in this round on deer.
Thanks again Nathan, this forum, your research and your books have helped me a great deal. Keep up the good work.
08 Dec 2015
@ 01:32 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Nosler Partition
Thanks Shawn, with some luck and good management, I hope to upload much more of our research this coming year.
08 Dec 2015
@ 03:15 am (GMT)

G Dog

Re: Nosler Partition
I found my limitations with the partitions about 6 weeks ago. .270 150gr. I took a shot at a billy at 466 yards and he just walked off with his mates looking unhurt. He stopped so I took another shot, same thing except 5 seconds later he loooked a bit laboured, I though bugga, I've gut shot him. So being a little grumpy at myself I went and closed the gap to 150yds and finished him off. After inspection the first 2 shots somehow missed shoulder bone and were 1 1/2" apart - gone straight through him and missed bone on its way out. I decided that If I couldn't 100% guarentee a bone hit at that distance then I wouldn't take the shot. It's been the only let done (more my fault) in the last 2 years since switching on Nathans advice.

09 Dec 2015
@ 12:30 am (GMT)

john feyereisn

Re: Nosler Partition
GDog, i would guess a billy to be some sort of goat, we dont have that kind of game here in southern minnesota usa, how big are they? i am wondering because i have been thinking about developing a load for 150 partition for use on deer, the only concern i can think of at all is if the bullet didnt meet enough resistance to expand as fast as possible. i think i will be ok, but i am still interested in the details in your story.
09 Dec 2015
@ 02:00 am (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: Nosler Partition
very limited but I will share anyway

son shot a big red hind with .270 150 grn partition..load not too hot range 200-250 yards
piss poor shot execution really opened my eyes to what this bullet CAN do


hind must have been playing twister or something
entered rear hock smashing bone, entered just forward of udder unzipping belly for 10" then went into chest destroying lungs before going out front leg and coming to rest under skin. she went 50 yards and was very sick when I finished her off.
09 Dec 2015
@ 09:26 am (GMT)

G Dog

Re: Nosler Partition
Quote:
very limited but I will share anyway

son shot a big red hind with .270 150 grn partition..load not too hot range 200-250 yards
piss poor shot execution really opened my eyes to what this bullet CAN do


hind must have been playing twister or something
entered rear hock smashing bone, entered just forward of udder unzipping belly for 10" then went into chest destroying lungs before going out front leg and coming to rest under skin. she went 50 yards and was very sick when I finished her off.


Hi John,

Yes correct Its a goat - male. Not overly big - maybe 40 - 50kg. I've had no problems with the partition otherwise from 30yds - 425yds on Red deer.

Cheers,
Grant
14 Apr 2016
@ 08:32 am (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: Nosler Partition
just got home from week in the bush, great week of bush stalking.
lovely stag surprised me(actually caught me with pants down...literally) by popping out of bush into clearing in open above me 250 yards by eyetrometer backed up by google earth...shaking like leaf being caught out with rifle 5mtrs away leaning on tree while I took care of natures call.....
got pants back up,loaded rifle,layed down,screwed up vari power to 9, semi steady moved a bit,better still,bit of a roar to stop him continuing walking away..had wobbles down to 1/3 a shoulder and touched off shot.uphill at about 30 degree angle.
150grn partition entered just behind foreleg and exited by hip...stag did staggering dash instantly and sound of shot was good
he went 50-60 yards and piled up stone dead...majestic even in death
cant fault a result like that.
14 Apr 2016
@ 07:23 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Nosler Partition
Thanks for the update Mike, mush appreciated.

Yes, a shot like that can rake back and miss most but not all of the lungs, then take out some of the liver before passing through the gut and exiting. It is normal for an animal to run with such a shot, especially a stag during the roar. This is a situation where you need both wide wounding but also deep penetration because you never know what angle will be presented when doing bush work. The .270 / 150gr Partition load works well under these conditions. Wounding is wide enough to take out vitals with trauma extended over a long distance.
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