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Rifle review
@ 10:56 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinHey NathanYou'd think someone with a few smarts, would build a good product and get you to review it. They'd sell heaps if it was any good !!! Cheers Bob |
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@ 02:05 am (GMT) |
Warwick MarflittRe: Rifle reviewMaybe If they were really smart ! They'd get Nathan to design and spec a rifle For them to make ? the" FOSTER NBSLRR" ( no bull shit long range rifle ) , The reviews will complain about it being" a boring looking, over accurate rifle! That doesn't need any work or extra accessories" . A real "pet pussy" with reloading data and full TBR Knowledge base back up.Wake up ! And stop dreaming. That's the kind of talk that will destroy the capitalist dream. You have to sell them something that is going to keep them spending more money! !! |
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@ 09:49 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Rifle reviewMost reviewers, feed us a heap of bullshit to keep their job. But nobody reads the reviews as they lose all credibility.Cheers Bob |
@ 01:47 am (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Rifle reviewYep haven't bothered with any guns mags etc. for a very long time, full of absolute crap which is mostly written by knobs and/or knobs wanting free stuff, ah.... sponsored, ah...... no that should read test stuff to review by senior writers!Don't think Nathan would play nicely enough, but l guess Top Gear have made a living bagging rubbish cars & products for a long time so why not! One thing l will say is don't think they are always given the same level product to review that you & l buy from the local shop! Just have to trust me with that one............ |
@ 08:56 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Rifle reviewGraham Henry was good for cutting through the crap too.one of my favorite articles of his was "why not the .308" another looked at rifle manufacturing costs and that was eye opening...add up materials/labor /machining/plant overheads etc etc etc and bugger all left in the kitty for fine details and hand finishing if you want to sell rifle at low cost. we have endless choice of low priced rifles to choose from and for more dollars we can now buy rifles that our Grandads would have sold Granny to be able to own....run of the mill accuracy is just so much better than it was and the longer range guys are constantly pushing barriers and the knowledge of "how to" is just so much more readily available not to mention being able to surf net to find out how good/bad something is. |
@ 09:21 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: Rifle reviewi agree with a lot that been said to do proper review you would need to pick 3 plus rifles at random from dealers shelf and check them all, cause you can guarantee they'll supply the best out of the bunch otherwise.i still buy few mags its good to see whats new and the design of rifles but you got to take there accuracy test with a grain of salt. i think we are at the stage now that rifle makers can't really save much on manufacturing cost with design alone ( barrel nuts, separate recoil lugs, etc) the cost savings now effect the finish of the rifle. its a shame that good names go down hill to compete. how many good names of many different products have we seen move production over seas and quality takes a dive. |
@ 09:17 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Rifle reviewThe problem with me testing is that if the rifle did not shoot so well, I would want to try a basic trick up (that any budding shooter could follow). But that tends to horrify the importers etc because we are supposed to believe that every rifle made by X company is the best rifle ever produced. This is of course an impossible ask and places too high an expectation on gun manufacturing staff who may only see x part of y rifle for a few minutes before it is passed on to the next stage of manufacture etc.I see nothing wrong with stating that x rifle is a budget design but an excellent raw platform and that with bedding or whatever, can be made a good rifle. Such a statement takes into account the dollar demands placed on the manufacturer- it cuts them some slack while also allowing us to look at the realities of the rifle. But an importer / distributor (in my experience), may have a full melt down over such comments. On the other side of the coin, we have some very pricey rifles but the price is not reflective of quality which is a real shame. This is one of the problems we now face where the budget for making said rifle is the same as the budget allowed for making an economy rifle. But via marketing, we are asked to buy into the idea that the rifle is of a higher quality than others. It used to be, that a man made a good product and that sales would come about as a result of his good workmanship. The better the product, the more folk would talk- everyone would want what that man made with his very own hands. Nowadays folk put the cart before the horse. They say its all about marketing. They say a man can make a good product but if he does not understand marketing and SEO rankings, he will never get anywhere in life. The man is told that he has it all wrong. There seems to be no balance to this these days. If a persons yard stick is simply a dollar figure then sure, marketing is the key. Just depends on what your yardstick is really. Mine is making sure our readers get what I believe they need first, then hopefully we can make something in return and yes, there will be a time soon when I need to switch to marketing. A person can only give for so long before he or she starts to feel the hurt. |
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@ 09:39 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Rifle reviewI should have mentioned- I have seen some great articles from Graeme Henry and Nick Harvey over the years. 'Why the .308' was a good read as Mike mentioned. Henry liked to keep things simple, he was a great inspiration for me when I got started.When he passed away, the gun magazine he wrote for seemed to just gloss over it with a snippet article. The new guys seemed to sweep in like vultures. That was a deal breaker for me. There should have been a whole magazine issue dedicated to him with bugger all or no adverts. Just a thank you issue, just one issue dedicated to his life helping others. But no, fk you, down the hole you go, now look at me, me, me. As for NZ guns magazine owner / editor Peter Maxwell. Well Peter is a person I call my friend. We have boundaries and that works just fine. I help with the Q&A from time to time which gives me full reign within that one small column. My personal opinion, is that Peter's greatest life work (which could be wiped out in history if the more PC of liberals would have their way) is his book Frontier. The research, the work ethic and the passion behind this writing is just incredible. I just cannot emphasize this enough. It is so well written. This is a gripping read for any Kiwi. Actually Frontier should be a compulsary or atleast recommended read for Kiwis. It is ironic, the land wars of the 1860's claimed so many lives. The settlers were sucked into buying land that was not for sale. The Maori had to fight so hard and at such great odds and came out with so little. There were payouts later, but payouts are not the same as land. Nowadays people just give their land to the crown under the PC guise of the QE-2 trust in exchange for rates rebates. The bulldozers come in and clear fencing tracks, doing more damage to hills than you could imagine, the fences go up, tonnes upon tonnes of wire and seemingly overnight we have created 'lovely feel good' reserves with predators slipping in and out through the fences as they please. The red man of the plains would shake his head. Sorry to digress but I wanted to stress this most interesting aspect of Peter Maxwell. There is far more to him than a gun magazine and people could learn a lot from reading Frontier. |
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@ 10:57 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Rifle reviewThis is great Nathan, well said. I always thought there was more to you.No doubt he'll sell a few more books, including one to me Cheers Bob |
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@ 09:11 am (GMT) |
Thomas KitchenRe: Rifle reviewi really need to find some of graeme henry's article his name comes up a lot and he sounds like a well respected man ( sounds pretty disrespectful what happened after his death thou) i was a generation to late to to read his articles as they came out.sounds like frontier is worth a read ill be ordering a copy for sure. just on the maori land wars, when i was a kid growing up in hamilton we use to go down to the river by memorial park and play on this old rusted out boat that had been dragged up on to the bank. it wasn't all that long ago that i found out that this boat was one of the boats that the europeans used to fire artillary from to defeat the rangiri pa so they could move south into the waikato. its good to see its now under cover and on displayed with more respect to abit of history. Nathan it was refreshing to see your bedding kit when it turned up, where it was plain to see its about product quality and service then some marketing ploy with flashy pointless containers that the customer ends up paying for. service sometimes feels like its dying thing, along with honesty my pet hate is going to buy something finding its got things like designed in nz / tested in nz / made for nz conditions written all over it and then need a microscope to find the made in china label sorry guys bit of a rant in there |
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@ 09:33 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Rifle reviewHi Thomas, thank you. Yes the compound is kiwi made and assembled within our own premises. None of this come up with an idea and get someone else to chuck something together haphazardly. Bedding is such a precise affair. |
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