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@ 09:45 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaWell it appears the Gun Gods have indeed shined down on me today. I got a call from my Gunshop and they said TC/Smith & Wesson came through with a 12 bore Turkey barrel and forend. Tommy 3 Toes will pay for his sins now for sure.And, if that wasn't great enough news, John said he was in fact fondling my 26 inch 30-06 barrel for the Encore as we spoke. You just gotta love it when a plan comes together. OK, now down to the million dollar question. Single shot 26" 30-06 Game Species: Black Bears up to 400 pounds - Whitetail Deer up to 230 pounds Distance to game when shot 50 yards max, but mostly 25 yards or less What one bullet would you suggest that would be guaranteed to do the most damage and blow a huge exit hole on the off side with well placed lung shots? I'm leaning real heavy towards a 180 Nosler Partition. What say you Oh Great Game Masters of the World. :-) |
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@ 11:46 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Million $ QuestionHi ThomasLucky you mate!!! At that range ha ha, even your 12g would do the job with SG's. As for the 30-06, 180gn Partition's are perfect for your job but too expensive over here . 178 A-max would be good too. I use 168gn Z-max (same as A-max) as they're cheap, and perfect performance so far. My all time favourite 30cal pill out to 300m is 180gn Woodleigh protected point. All the best with it Thomas Bob |
@ 04:48 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Million $ Questionwell placed lung shot ONLY I would lean towards something much lighter/softer but the perfect broadside is a myth of ammo company salespeople so a good 150 grn would be my bet every day of the week. with a 170- 180 big ugly round or flat nose jobby for those bigger critters bang WHOOOP flop |
@ 05:51 am (GMT) |
Dale WilhelmRe: Million $ QuestionNormally I believe firmly in one shot being enough but if I was faced with a black bear up to 400lb I think I would want more lead as a backup. I'm glad our game animals are a little less dangerous here in NZ.Sorry I can't help with any info on 30-06 projectiles. Cheers Dale |
@ 06:05 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Million $ QuestionHi Thomas, try working up a load with the 200gr Partition, see how fast you can drive it.If you want maximum stopping power, you need to be well above 2400fps. Should work well for tree stand work, plenty of power. |
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@ 09:46 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Million $ QuestionThank you kindly for the replies Gentlemen! Since the 06 barrel will be used primarily for Bears on stand I will be going with the heavy Nosler Partitions.With that said, I lit off that turkey barrel with a 3 inch mag 1 5/8 ounces of No5's at 1350 fps. OMG!!! That 6 pound gun kicks like a pissed off Mbogo. The 375 H&H Mag with 300 grain pills feel like shooting a 22 long rifle for comparison after lighting that bitch off. I'm having a tough time believing it takes THAT much horsepower to kill off a 20 pound bird. I think I have been violated by the Turkey ammo companies. And to think, they actually make a 2 ounce load in a 3 inch shell for the 12 bore. Ain't no way. This is insane madness in it's finest hour. :) It is my fond hope that the 30-06 barrel is somewhat more normal on this light weight beast in the recoil department. |
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@ 10:01 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Million $ QuestionQuote: Normally I believe firmly in one shot being enough but if I was faced with a black bear up to 400lb I think I would want more lead as a backup. I'm glad our game animals are a little less dangerous here in NZ.
Cheers Dale Dale I cannot say of the Grizzly and the Fish fed Browns, nor the Kodiak. But as a rule, Black Bears are harder to hunt than deer. They are a nervous animal and quite cautious. The Native Americans say; If a rabbit hops in the forest, the Eagle will see it. The deer will hear it. And the Bear will smell it. I concur with the Bear's sense of smell. I once left a bag of sunflower seeds on the back seat of the truck. The following morning both mirrors were ripped off the truck and there was muddy bear paw prints all over the windows where they tried to pry them down. And there was Bear blabber and drool all over the hood of the truck where they tried to get in that way. In most cases, when a Black Bear takes a hit, from a gun or a bow, they will snap at the wound and run like Hell. On the other hand, I have been in a tree stand waiting for bears to come in in the off season to take pictures. One exceptional wiseguy Bear came up the trail and headed for my tree. I was thinking no way. Yah way! Up he came. And I was going down the other side of the tree as he was coming up. I did in fact have to clean my shorts after that one. Somewhere in my photo archives I have pictures of him sitting in MY treestand looking as pert as the cock of the walk. But I would imagine even the Black Bear, if wounded and cornered, would be a formidable enemy at that moment in time. |
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@ 10:44 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Million $ Questionok THIS I CAN help with..... if you fill tightly the hole in the buttstock with lead shot in a plastic bag or better still a tightly fitting rod of lead. my .12ga pump has 11oz of lead inside a section of tent pole taped at both ends.this helps with recoil no end and because its in buttstock close to shoulder the balance when shooting isnt effected. carrying is effected as balance is rearward. as for those turkey loads!!!!!!!! try a oz trap load of hard #8s on a pattern board and see if you think head neck shot is feasible or just shoot them flying with any decent waterfowl load. there are super duper Gary Cooper recoil pads out not that werent around only a few years back. pachmayer being one and limbsaver another....even for a tightwad like myself they are worth the money. I have one on wee centrefire and one on the single .12ga tames them down no end. |
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@ 10:59 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Million $ QuestionUnfortunately the stock pitch design is wrong on this rifle so recoil will be high. It's a hangover from taking a single shot pistol and trying to make it into a rifle. Not a heck of a lot can be done due to the very large drop / cast off in the rear stock. Rearward recoil is not such a problem, its the upward recoil that occurs while the rifle recoils backwards.Just do your best and see how you get on. Can't be any worse than the .378 huh. Loved your last two posts, very enertaining. |
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@ 11:21 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Million $ QuestionDeer sniper over onwww. huntingnut does wonderfull things with these actions. he gets super sexy laminate stocks for them too in all sorts of shapes n sizes I will have a dig back through posts and see if I can bump one forward for you to have a look at. |
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@ 04:35 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Million $ Questionyip found post and bumped it up so will hang around for a while. the funky one in colors only an Aussie could love is even some how appealing. I class this fella as a craftsman, Im sure you two would get along great Nathan. |
@ 05:18 pm (GMT) |
Tyler LawrenceRe: Million $ QuestionI have found that one of the better bullets for reliable performance at close range on the black bears I've hunted is the plain old Hornady 180gr interlock. I have loaded this bullet in my 30-06 for many years now and have taken all of the big game species here in Alberta with great results at varied distances. |
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@ 09:11 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Million $ QuestionWell after a quick trip to the Doctor to get the two molars removed that got shoved down to my rectum with that Hoss Turkey load, and a reinsertion of the right testicle back into the ball bag, I decided to have a go of it with the 30-06 barrel on the monster.Fully expecting to be viciously maimed, or even possibly broken and or killed, I lit her off. To my very pleasant surprise, it is, hands down, the most pleasant 30-06 I have ever fired in my entire life. How can this be possible? Well, I used to up until a year ago do all of my waterfowling with a 10 1/2 pound 10 bore Browning pump shotgun. The years are catching up with this old buck and the 10 1/2 pound gun, ammo, clothes, and decoys going 3 clicks back in in the dark to murder ducks just got to be a bit much. So, I dumped the legendary 10 bore and picked up a Benelli SBE II in a 3 1/2 inch 12 bore. It has what they call Comfortech stocks. Does it work? You betcha. Just so long as you don't "bottom out" the "springs" with 3 1/2" super goose loads. The Encore I have is the Pro Hunter, and it has on the same idea as the Benelli in the butt stock but they call it Flextech. In addition, the Pro Hunter comes through standard with the Limbsaver recoil pad. I would say the two systems have limitations in just HOW much recoil they can absorb since the premise of both is flexing of the stocks at key points. In the case of the Benelli, heavy 3 inch steel loads are about like shooting trap loads. However, lighting off those 3 1/2 inchers appears to flex the stock beyond what it can take, much similar to overweighting the truck and bottoming out the springs. The system in the Encore I feel at this point could tame a 300 Win Mag to be pleasant to shoot, but, I believe it will Peter out with a 375 H&H, and for certain with Hell benders such as the 378 Weatherby. Let's get back to the man maiming Turkey loads. One of my "tricks" for shooting the real heavy recoilers is to push forward on the forearm while keeping the pad firmly to the shoulder. It has always worked, so why not with atomic Turkey loads? Well, I found out today that somewhere along the line, TC has stepped on their cranks once again. The two anchor screws for the forend are the same exact length. However, the counterbores in the forend are NOT! This results in the front screw being bottomed out, leaving the front of the forend to flop around a good 1/2 inch, even though the rear screw is settled in and torqued properly. While holding the weapon in the heavy recoil mode, I believe what happened yesterday can best be explained as follows. When the gun went off the forward thrust I had on the forend did little more than let the barrel fly out of the mortise, hence, throwing the recoil in an up and back down motion. Today I went and purchased additional washers to take up the void and now the forend is securely anchored as it should be. I am thinking it may just change the game with those hoss Turkey loads. I will in fact post if this ends up being the case. In the event that it does not turn the tides, I fully expect to lose more teeth and fillings and perhaps drop the other nut :) |
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@ 07:22 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Million $ QuestionMike DavisThanks for the info and the link to that drop dead gorgeous Encore with the laminated stocks. The Beast is tame with the rifle barrel, it's those damn Turkey Hoss loads that I have to get up on. One of the reasons I went the Encore route to begin with was the light weight and portability of the rig. More often than not we have to "run and gun" the birds as they like to move around looking to put the wood to the Hens. I think with the right choke tube I can drop down in payload and still knock them over. At least I now have time prior to season to get it squared away. Thanks for all the info! |
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@ 07:24 pm (GMT) |
Thomas PavelkaRe: Million $ QuestionQuote: I have found that one of the better bullets for reliable performance at close range on the black bears I've hunted is the plain old Hornady 180gr interlock. I have loaded this bullet in my 30-06 for many years now and have taken all of the big game species here in Alberta with great results at varied distances.
Tyler You do in fact have some wonderful Bears up your way. I would think a good 180 would ruin the bruin's day. Duly noted my Friend. |
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