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Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??

14 Jan 2015
@ 01:18 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Reposted from the original thread....


Gentlemen, Happy New Year to you all.

Two practical guides are now officially read - the LRH Rifles & LRH Cartridges. I'm blown away by the quality of the info and feel like I'm right there in a fireside chat with Nathan. My takeaways as follow, please critique at will!!

General Conditions:

- Game weight - 90% 250lb or below (occasional Elk or Red Stag or Plains Game on the mix).
- MAX desired range - 650 yards.
- Access to reloading - spotty but doable.
- Hunting style - hard climbing to glassing stations, very physical, steep terrain, oak studded grass hills and canyons.
- Physical condition - 35yrs old, thin, strong (and trying to get stronger).

Takeaways:

- The current (very) lightweight Sako 85 Finnlight platform will not do anymore, I simply can't shoot it well enough and, to be honest, a flinch has developed. Aside from this, I've been put off by the recoil lug configuration, alas, the rifle will likely be sold.

- A Rem 700 Sendero gets sexier by the day, and after all my musings and reading the books, still haven't decided on caliber. Maybe a 300WM can be a better route than the 7mmRM, given two of my close friends run 300's and we could pool our resources to reload (they own McMillan Tactical Hunter rifles). Also, component availability is considerably wider for the .30's.

- Already have the "mini-Sendero" VSSFII in .22-250 and could alternate to practice on the same platform.

- Not falling again for expensive European glass with short eye relief, so seriously looking to top off a new rifle with the NF NXS 42mm scope (up to 10x).

- I want the new rifle to be my "go to" gun for everything from small deer on up. The .22-250 covers varmints and a cool .22 for plinking.

- Having recent experience with a muzzle brake, not keen on using one at all.

I would be very thankful for advice on the following:

+ Given the General Conditions, which caliber from the two would you pick and why?
+ Is the 300 recoil tolerable in the Sendero platform?
+ Is the Sendero portable enough to carry all day?
+ Do you think the 10x magnification is good enough for the MAX range? (could upgrade to the 15x50, but concerned about overall weight).

Saludos From Mexico!

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15 Jan 2015
@ 04:29 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
Hi Ricardo, it may pay to go to something a bit lighter than a Sendero if you are climbing in steep terrain. I think something akin to an SPS fitted with an HS PSV-029 stock would suit you, chambered in 7mm Rem Mag. But there are many ways to skin this cat, hence the book series.

Here is a picture of the type of rifle I am thinking may suite you (SPS and HS Stock):



Others may prefer to go lighter still, adopting a Tikka chambered for one of the WSM's or a standard caliber like the .30-06. The lighter you go, the more disciplined you need to be regarding shooting technique if shooting potent cartridges.

I should mention that for the ranges you wish to shoot, you could just about get away with a basic T3 lite in 7mm-08 if hand loading.

As I have said, there are many ways to skin this cat.
21 Jan 2015
@ 12:17 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
Thank you Nathan, very insightful reply and, really consistent with my "gut feel"! I'll pass on the Tikka because Rem (and clones) retain a lot of upgradeable features down the road. My eyes are set on a Nesika sporter, we'll see (check them out):

http://www.nesikafirearms.com/sporter.html

The 7mm-08 sounds great, but my preference is for the 7mmRM, having the ability to load up or down and factory ammo being much more widespread if needed.

By the way, spent the last 5 days hunting in Northern Mexico, with GREAT results!!! Used a borrowed 7mm Wby Mag and a standard .270 Win. 4 coyotes, two hogs, one javelina and a nice looking OLD whitetail. Will try to post pics now....

Cheers
09 Feb 2015
@ 04:19 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
In a weird turn of events, my Father-in-law gave me a rifle as a gift! Details as follows:
- Rem 700 Custom Mountain KS (mid 1990's)
- 270 win 24" and carrying a muzzle brake (for a 270??)
- Round count surely below 100
- Original stock and everything
- Already replaced the trigger with a Timney

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So we know have a base on which to improve on!!! I can start the major practice with the 270 and then "graduate" to either the 7mmRM or the 300WinMag. Couple of questions then, assuming I'll try to hand-load the 150 grainers, Partition and SST and keeping the 650yd MAX range:

[b]+ Eager to put a NF NXS on it, 2.5-10x42 OR 3.5-15x50???
+ Is the HS PSV-029 made too for these barrel contours?? If not, what stock do you recommend for these contours??[/b]

Already slapped a couple of coyotes with it, noisy but very very nice.

Saludos!!!

Ricardo.

09 Feb 2015
@ 04:21 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??


09 Feb 2015
@ 10:13 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
Hi Ricardo, you can run a PSV-029 with this contour, same as the rifle pictured in my post above.

You don't really need the brake, no need for that carbon fouling and extra noise. If you want to take the brake off, you could fit a piece of alkathene water pipe (half inch) as a thread and muzzle protector. It can protude out about an eighth of an inch or so without ill effect. Black alkathene pipe is not common in cities but if you live in a rural area, there should always be something floating around in a barn etc.
09 Feb 2015
@ 10:50 pm (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
Very Cool on the brake and the stock, I'll speak to the guys at HS and yes, familiar with those water pipes...

What's your gut feel on the scope selection, given 650yd max??

Saludos!

10 Feb 2015
@ 01:07 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Practical Guides Read! Re: "Upgrade" from 300 WSM to 7MM Rem Mag??
Either scope will be fine but long term, I would prefer to have the 15 power. Barrels and cartridges come and go but scopes are a one time deal.

The throats on these mid 1990's Mountain rifles were really long. Will be best to use H4350 or IMR 4350 or similar as you will be using high powder charges. You will need to work up above book max to reach full potential. Should be plenty of info between my Cartridges book and the Reloading book to work up optimum loads.
 

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