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Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101
@ 03:12 pm (GMT) |
Drew PigottHello,Does anyone have any experience with either of these rifles? How do they shoot? They seem very well made and of exceptional quality. I am looking at the wood model and leaning towards the Mauser M12 in .30-06 Springfield. Thanks! Drew |
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@ 05:49 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101Hi Drew, I have limited experience with the Sauer and no experience with the new Mauser M12.The Sauer has a press fit barrel, somewhat like the throw away Remington 770 line- not the best if you need a smith to replace the barrel at some point. The action does not have a traditional recoil lug. Instead, it has two pins- literally two 6mm pins up front, one either side of the front action screw (with the action screw fitted it appears as a row of three). The pins then lock into an ali chassis block. These are yet again, different ways to skin the same cat in line with the current Germanic intellectual and artistic thought processes. Bedding would be a nightmare at best. barrel changes would cause the most hardy gunsmith a great deal of stress. Magazine length is also an issue. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that this rifle is designed to be fired only a few times per year using factory ammo and is to be passed from father to son in the most traditional sense. The Mauser M12 is a back to basics rifle design, based on the traditional M98 rifle. Another forum poster noted that his hunting buddy purchased an M12, but did not like the look of the current stock and soon sold it. This rifle also fouled heavily but would perhaps have come right given time. The owner sold the rifle within weeks so I do not know the final outcome. That's about the only complaint I have heard so far. As I said in the beginning, I have no experience with this rifle so I can only offer opinion. My opinion is that the more simple and traditional M98 design has great merit- based on my experience with the M98 system. I don't know if that helps at all Drew. |
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@ 07:45 pm (GMT) |
Drew PigottRe: Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101Nathan,Hello and thanks for the reply. Yes I read that it was a press-fit barrel and had some reservations about that. It seems to be a rifle that is not intended to ever be modified. It would be a shame to spend that much money to discover that it doesn't shoot and fouls terribly. From what I read both Sauer and Mauser are owned by Blaser or at least the group that owns Blaser. These two rifles seemingly share many similar parts outside of the safety and stock design. Does anybody have any recommendations for a relatively light wood stock .30-06? I love wood and would like something around 8-8.5 lbs all up. I have a Weatherby Vanguard with a Zeiss 3-9x50 and a bedded Bell and Carlson Medallist stock that runs close to 9.5 lbs all up. It shoots wonderfully but would like a lighter carrying rifle for long walks. Or should I just be happy for a rifle that shoots and carry the Weatherby? Thanks again! -Drew |
@ 08:07 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101Hi DrewMy 30-06 weighs something like that, if it shoots keep it? I used a Winchester super grade 30-06 the other day, beautiful rifle it impressed me, not light though. Have you looked at the Montana rifles? Cheers Bob |
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@ 08:46 pm (GMT) |
Drew PigottRe: Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101Hey Bob!Ah I am definitely going to keep my Weatherby. I've done a great deal of work to it and it handles and shoots well. I didn't state it earlier but I guess what I was getting at is if 9-9.5 lbs all up is an acceptable weight. Sorry, I should of asked earlier and forgot! I sure do like how it settles down quicker when I aim after I have been walking. I don't think a lighter rifle would do that.. I love the Super Grade Model 70's! I think it would be around the same weight once its scoped. I have always liked the look of nice wood on a rifle. I have been considering one for quite a while, just to have one. Do you mean the Kimber Montana? I haven't seen one but don't think I would like the blind magazine. Thanks -Drew |
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@ 08:59 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Mauser M 12 & Sauer 101To me, 9.5lb is acceptable. But I started hunting at a time when this and heavier rifles were the norm. Steph has always carried rifles of this weight and never complained.You could go down the path of a lighter rifle- its entirely up to you. Of the wood stocked rifles, the M700 CDL can be a nice rifle but it is difficult to exceed the performance of the Tikka rifles. If your current rifle balances and shoots well, I see no reason to change anything. But again- its up to you. Weight can be a very subjective issue. It can become a head game and can sometimes lead to very negative outcomes when hunters become literally obsessed with rifle weight. This and recoil can be sources of unnecessary and ongoing mental rumination. Its just something to be a bit careful of. |
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