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@ 01:25 am (GMT) |
Rob BirdYesterday, I went for my first visit to the well-known (in the eastern US) Peacemaker National Training Center range in West Virginia. I was the only one on the range due to poor weather. As I was doing some load testing on my CG 63 6.5x55, the range safety officer came up and said, "Would you like a tip?" I thought he was referring to the fact that I couldn't get my stupid Lab Radar to register any of my shots. "No, I mean about your form. When you hold the forend like that, you are unnecessarily adding movement to the rifle. You already have it on rests, so just tuck your left hand down around the buttstock."I smiled, thanked him, and told him that it was an informed decision to hold the forearm. |
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@ 10:11 am (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Unsolicited adviceOf the hundreds of American YouTubers posting videos of themselves shooting hunting rifles off benches, there’s only one I’ve ever heard discuss this issue, and he agrees 100% with Nathan. He’s not a professional. He’s primarily a hunter, although he has shot in matches. He hunts in Africa, as well as the US. He said the problem is worse with large bore cartridges and magnums. You’d think all the guys who film themselves shooting 6.5 CMs would notice the obvious muzzle jump in their own videos. |
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@ 04:23 am (GMT) |
Rob BirdRe: Unsolicited adviceI suppose that, particularly with a lower-recoiling rifle, if you ONLY ever shot off a bench on the exact same rest or bipod, you would have a repeatable POI. But I wonder how many people sight in their hunting rifle with the crossarm style only to find that when they are in the field, their POI shifts dramatically. |
@ 04:37 am (GMT) |
Anders ÖsterbergRe: Unsolicited adviceAs a hardcore forend holder I stumbled on this video the other day, I smle when th groups shrinks as long he hold the forend 🫡🤝😎https://www.apotea.se/biosalma-omega-3-salmon-oil-1000-mg-180-kapslar |
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@ 04:39 am (GMT) |
Anders ÖsterbergRe: Unsolicited adviceAhh you got me... I'm going to by fish capsules 😄I think this will be right https://youtu.be/4w_9D18vAbE?si=vuvjFqyt-nllmmDF |
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@ 02:34 pm (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Unsolicited adviceNo need to watch more Ron. |
@ 06:44 pm (GMT) |
David LenziRe: Unsolicited adviceQuote: I suppose that, particularly with a lower-recoiling rifle, if you ONLY ever shot off a bench on the exact same rest or bipod, you would have a repeatable POI. But I wonder how many people sight in their hunting rifle with the crossarm style only to find that when they are in the field, their POI shifts dramatically.
The more informed know... I have watched folks shoot the Kraft data drill and there is a bunch of discussion about how heavy (18+ lbs) low recoiling (usually a 6mm of some variety) rifles have a POI shift between positions based on recoil management. Interestingly, the answer to this dilemma never seems to be "manage the recoil." ;-) I did see Chris Way talk about transferrable skills and learning to shoot establishing stable triangle because as soon as you get off your belly you're not going to be square behind the gun anyway... I wonder where I've heard that before... |
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@ 12:58 pm (GMT) |
Scott StruifRe: Unsolicited adviceI watched a video yesterday of a guy shooting a new Model 700 SPS Varmint rifle in 308. The barrel is 26 inches. The gun weighs 8.5 pounds. With the scope, bipod, and muzzle break, it was probably close to 12 pounds. I didn’t see any obvious muzzle jump, even though he didn’t hold the forend. He had an aftermarket stock on it, which was pretty straight. There’s obviously a point at which the weight of a gun, and it’s stock shape, will minimize muzzle jump prior to the bullet leaving the muzzle. |
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@ 03:56 pm (GMT) |
David LenziRe: Unsolicited adviceThat's the rub... all sort of gear out there intended to take the shooter out of the equation. Benchrest, F-class, PRS, are master classes in how to minimize the role of the shooter with equipment. I think people completely miss recoil management as a shooting fundamental regardless of discipline. |
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