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The 308 Win - Help me out

23 Apr 2023
@ 03:58 am (GMT)

Howard Audsley

Origins of this question relate to efforts to hand load for a 308. Have modified my reloading process to include a couple new tricks.

First one it to obtain either a go or no go gauge for each caliber I'm loading for so I can tell where my chamber is relative to SAMMI specs. I measure the gauge with a case comparator, then measure the fire formed bass. For one rifle, the chamber is same as a no go gauge. Factory ammo has to stretch 5 to 6 thousands when fire forming.

For a 308 Win I'm loading for, it is only 1 to 2 thousands over the Go gauge. Factory brass in it has to stretch very little to fire form. Good to know.

The second step is to take all bullets I'm loading for and find the distance to the lands for each. When I attempted this with a 150 grain Hot Cor in the 308 Win I'm loading for, the shank of the bullet was hardly seated at all to get the ogive to the lands. My first thought was the rifle was screwed up (too tight chamber, too much free bore), but it is a factory Howa rifle, so how could that be? Then remembered the plight of "Joe" in Nathans reloading book who found the same thing.

Which brings me to my point. Can someone elaborate on what is going on in a 308 Win with the long/deep free bore?

In addition to Nathan's suggestion to seat it deep and let it jump, the other part about what is going on in a 308 chamber vs. others needs to be better known. If it is an idiosyncrasy unique to the 308 and a few others, then it ought to get more mention.

Lastly, if one does some research on this, with bullets like the 150 hot cor, I have found guys doing seating tests in reverse. Instead of seating out to near the lands and seating deeper, guys are seating bullet with base to the case neck shoulder region, and seating tests are to make it longer.

Nathan's discussion of this with "Joe" and a few other places in his reloading book is one of the very few places where you find info like this for the 308. It ought to be part of every discussion there is for 308. In every reloading manual.

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23 Apr 2023
@ 06:36 am (GMT)

Howard Audsley

Re: The 308 Win - Help me out
Guess I should elaborate on what I'm wondering......what thinking and reasoning was behind chamber with extra free bore and how does that affect cartridge performance? How does that increase velocity?

Does that in part contribute to the long barrel life seen in 308 Win vs. say the 243 Win?
24 Apr 2023
@ 01:35 am (GMT)

David Landwehr

Re: The 308 Win - Help me out
Howard, and I'm an amateur at this but my understanding is the free bore is there to generate velocity without generating pressure. It allows the bullet to get mobile before engaging the lands and thus keeps pressure lower. I believe this is also the premise for most weatherby rounds
And for the 308w being designed as a military rounds maybe to allow crap in the chamber.
So for the 308 load for concentricity and let it jump. Nathan's books will explain this.
24 Apr 2023
@ 06:36 am (GMT)

Ed Sybert

Re: The 308 Win - Help me out
It could be that the throat was cut long in order to allow long-for-caliber bullets to be used without having to seat them deep into the case, taking up powder space. Not saying they will run through the magazine with bullets seated out near the lands though.
25 Apr 2023
@ 06:46 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: The 308 Win - Help me out
Hi Howard, you'll find all of the answers to your question in David's reply above.

Pretty much all factory ammunition is loaded with a good degree of jump. In some instances when hand loading, the cartridge design or a particular bullet and / or gun magazine may allow you to get close to the lands. In other instances, one must accept the jump. Fortunately, the .308 performs very well with some jump.

Correct, as stated in the reloading book, try seating seating deeper rather than closer to the lands, should such experimentation prove necessary.
25 Apr 2023
@ 08:51 am (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: The 308 Win - Help me out
Does it matter if “jump” involves a spacewalk, where the shank of the bullet is no longer supported by the case neck when it reaches the lands?
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