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270 Win vs 7mm Rem Mag
@ 12:04 pm (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerGreetings.I apologize sincerely for the redundancy of my topic. I'm sure it's old and has been beaten to death. That said, when I want facts and truths I can count on - I can trust - this is the website I come to. Period. Here's my dilemma. After 60 years of owning and handloading for too many rifles and cartridges; along with a modest number of hunting trips / experiences; I'm in the process of culling my rifle collection, a process of selling and a bit of trading. My goal is to own 4 rifles, covering all my hunting needs until my last day afield...maybe 10 years from now? I have an old but classic 22 rimfire, reserved for youth training purposes. My .243 Winchester is set up for coyotes and the infrequent youth WT deer rifle. The 3rd rifle / cartridge is the one in question. The 4th rifle is my Rem 700 Classic in 35 Whelen for Elk and Moose. Rifles 1, 2 & 4, I'm keeping. The 3rd rifle / cartridge will be for game up to and short of Elk. WT deer, Mule Deer, Pronghorn, Black Bear; a budget friendly African plains game on my bucket list. I have the rifle chosen but cannot decide between the 270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag. The latter has some better ballistics and a bit more recoil. The former? For a very long time, I was (am) a Jack O'Connor fan. Hard to argue with established history and it's still # 4 on the top 10, most popular cartridge list. If you can spare me a minute and a few words, I'd greatly appreciate your comments & choice between these two cartridges. Thank you kindly. |
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@ 02:22 am (GMT) |
Rob BirdRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagIn my humble opinion, if you don't plan on shooting very far out, just go with where your heart is, and it sounds like that is .270. Not to mention you will have all old-school cartridges, though granted, the .243 is scarcely older than 7 Rem Mag. Plus, for reloading, it seems to me that '06 family cartridges are a lot less fussy than belted magnums. |
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@ 06:23 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagRob,Thank you Sir. Your assements about my preferences - my moderate shooting distance expectations - and reloading advantages - are correct. For me, this will be an expensive rifle and I won't have the opportunity to test / compare the two cartridges. The one I buy, I own it. And why my first post. Thank you again Rob. I appreciate your time and helpful reply. Cheers. Daniel |
@ 05:30 pm (GMT) |
VinceRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagHi Daniel,I agree with Rob, this sounds like a head vs heart problem, the rem mag makes sense in terms range of capability but the 270 should be ample given your species and range limits. One question I have, the 270 used to come with a standard 1/11 twist I think but with a bigger range of bullets available due to the 270wsm and now the 6.8 western with probably more options to come a faster twist might be nice. Are these available in factory rifles? Cheers Vince |
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@ 05:47 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagGreetings Vince.Good to hear from you. As I understand it, the standard .277 twist rate is 1:10. While I've done a lot of reading about the 270 WSM, 6.8 Western, and their popular bullets, I'm a novice in regard to their twist rates, advantages and disadvantages beyond what is commonly discussed. I know that 270 WSM factory rifles are available, I've seen / held them in my local shop. The Western? I would think so but would have to confirm that. Thanks again. Kind Regards, Daniel |
@ 06:42 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagHi Dan, I will try to call you on the landline so that we can put this one to bed without you losing any sleep over it. In simple terms, if a guy is having trouble deciding between a .270 and a 7mmRM, a .280 Rem or .280 Rem AI is the compromise, a combination of the two. However at this time of writing, the .280 is still hard to come by as a factory rifle so must generally be built, unless you want to buy another persons dud rifle on the auctions.The 6.8 has merit but is in its own way limited. The traditional 10 twist .270 is limited to 150 grains, though a well designed 160 / 165gr will work in it. The 6.8 has the faster twist, but rather than simply increasing bullet weight and letting physics take care of the rest, the bullets have been beefed up, the jackets (Sierra) heavy in the same manner as the Scirocco. The cartridge has merit but could do with a more basic bullet option (e.g. TMK) that is easy to load without jacking up pressure, spattering copper down the bore and putting out fliers. |
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@ 07:21 am (GMT) |
VinceRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagSorry Daniel, I wasn't clear with the question, what I meant to say is that there are more 277 projectiles available because of the newer chamberings which you could use if you handload for the 270, but I'm not sure what twist rates are available in modern factory 270 riflesCheers Vince |
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@ 08:05 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagGreetings to you Sir. Thank you for replying.Please forgive me Nathan, am very respectfully trying not to be blunt here. The rifle I want to purchase and is in stock (there are only 2 of them) - there's a 7 Rem Mag and a .270 Win. This will be one of the final rifles in my safe when I can no longer hunt, not too far down the road. Choosing it carefully. Elk and above are not on the menu for this rifle. The Whelen's got those covered. Just looking for some help on choosing the rifle/cartridge best (whatever that means???) suited for those purposes only. They're currently holding both rifles for me and I have to decide in a reasonable amount of time, preferably in a day or two. Yes, of course, as correctly stated here, this is all mental for me. Nevertheless, it's an important decision for me so I'm seeking opinions and am grateful for what's been already said. And, as all of us here know, your opinion counts. At your convenience, please let me know which rifle you would choose. Thank you kindly Nathan. God Bless & best to everyone here. Daniel Quote: Hi Dan, I will try to call you on the landline so that we can put this one to bed without you losing any sleep over it. In simple terms, if a guy is having trouble deciding between a .270 and a 7mmRM, a .280 Rem or .280 Rem AI is the compromise, a combination of the two. However at this time of writing, the .280 is still hard to come by as a factory rifle so must generally be built, unless you want to buy another persons dud rifle on the auctions.
The 6.8 has merit but is in its own way limited. The traditional 10 twist .270 is limited to 150 grains, though a well designed 160 / 165gr will work in it. The 6.8 has the faster twist, but rather than simply increasing bullet weight and letting physics take care of the rest, the bullets have been beefed up, the jackets (Sierra) heavy in the same manner as the Scirocco. The cartridge has merit but could do with a more basic bullet option (e.g. TMK) that is easy to load without jacking up pressure, spattering copper down the bore and putting out fliers. |
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@ 08:25 am (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagQuote: Sorry Daniel, I wasn't clear with the question, what I meant to say is that there are more 277 projectiles available because of the newer chamberings which you could use if you handload for the 270, but I'm not sure what twist rates are available in modern factory 270 rifles
Cheers Vince No harm done Vince. Thanks for the clarification. :-) Sorry I don't know more about available twist rates. Cheers |
@ 09:43 am (GMT) |
Alvaro PiquerasRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagHi Vince!This post of you is nice.. The Good news are that, no matter which one you choose, you will be well served!! That said, my vote os for 7mag… both are classics, have ammo & components available, etc. The 270 has lots of New proyectiles available, but the 7 still having much more (& heavier if needed!) Everything you can do with the 270, you can do better with the 7rem mag! (And if you burned the barrel out, just ream it to 7practical!) |
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@ 09:44 am (GMT) |
Alvaro PiquerasRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagWhich rifle will be the one?(I mean, brand & model) :) |
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@ 12:43 pm (GMT) |
Daniel SchindlerRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagGreetings.A quick update for those of you who replied... Nathan was kind enought to share some time with me so I would have a better lay of the land so to speak. In the end, with Nathan's nod, I moved over to a less expensive Tikka in a 270, along with some reloading gear to get me started. Glad to have found the brass and bullets. Powder I already had. Now a happy camper. Unexpectedly, along came an opportunity to purchase a Vanguard w/a 24" barrel in 30-06. Long story short, after studying on the Knowledgebase, I bought the rifle. This decision was based on a strategy to use the .270 with 130/140 gr bullets - and the '06 with 165 gr bullets. My 2 "middle" rifles for big game, capitalizing on the advantages of each of the bullets mentioned. Anything suggesting a bullet larger than 165 gr - Elk & Moose - my Whelen comes out of the safe. I'm comfortable and relieved with the decisions / purchases I made. IMHO, I'm set for the time I have left to hunt. Each of you, thank you kindly for your time and very helpful comments. Much appreciated. Daniel |
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@ 04:29 am (GMT) |
Rob BirdRe: 270 Win vs 7mm Rem MagCongrats! So you got 2 new rifles? Incidentally, I have some nice 270 reloading equipment I'm about to sell if you need dies. I have a Redding S type die and a Forster seating die with micrometer. I also have 2 boxes of 145 grain ELD-X. |
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