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Effective Game Killing - part 2

18 Feb 2021
@ 07:43 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Hi all, just a quick catch up. Steph and I have been busy as usual, engaged in ongoing research and writing writing projects. Following the chaos last year, we decided that we really wanted to continue to knuckle down and stay focused without distraction. So while it may seem that we have been rather quiet, we have been at the coal face through Jan / Feb. Will disclose project details at a later date.

Norma have uploaded part two of my Effective Game killing article. Links to 1 & 2 below:

Latest Vimeo work here:

All the best, Nathan.


01 Mar 2021
@ 04:43 am (GMT)

Michael Seager

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
Well I like it.

I always enjoyed the way Norma got Don Heath involved as an expert and hope you can do the same!
01 Mar 2021
@ 08:39 am (GMT)

Hamish Gibbs

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
Top stuff, thank you.
Looking forward to sit down for a good session on this.
03 Mar 2021
@ 07:14 am (GMT)

Magnus Vassbotn

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
Good work with the article! A well written and natural follow up to the first one. I like your emphasis on the merits of soft/ fragmenting bullets for their purposes. Put very plainly, If there is one thing in particular I was left with, was the feeling that a soft bullet is mostly a good thing. Important to bring that up in todays climate. Great to get this and all the other stuff out to people through a new channel.

Cheers, Magnus
03 Mar 2021
@ 09:13 am (GMT)

William Badgley

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
Excellent as always. It is complex and will take some study before it all sinks in. But I'm thrilled Norma and Nathan teamed up to get it done. Never ceases to amaze me that this level of expertise is available to us. I'd ask that we all pass it on to others. I've already sent it to two of my hunting buddies. Far too valuable to keep to ourselves.
03 Mar 2021
@ 11:09 am (GMT)

Magnus Hansson

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
I agree, when you listen you learn.
As far as I understand ..we will most likely run into a lead prohibition within 5 years in the whole EU.

I hope Norma with the help from Nathan and others can find some way develop lead free bullets with proper function ..not only proper marketing.
One can really see the green wave across paid influencers on YouTube and other media, solid copper seems to kill game almost better than any SST ever did.

Saw one of these guys posting a picture of a retrieved Sako Blade from a moose with very poor expansion ..”100% weight retention” ..half of Sweden started go crazy over what a fantastic bullet this is.

This is getting really stupid
03 Mar 2021
@ 01:40 pm (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
My understanding from the article is that a well-placed autonomic-plexus shot doesn’t require a frangible bullet. So if it came to that . . . world-wide, copper-only laws . . . we’d have to stalk closer, or sit over a water hole or trail . . . much as bow and muzzle-loader hunters do today. In the meantime, it’s nice to know a frangible lead bullet can make a gut-shot successful.
15 Mar 2021
@ 03:14 pm (GMT)

David Lenzi

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2

There's a gent here with a business based out of Texas. Made it big with optics mounts, branched out into AR-10 and AR-15 pattern rifles (broadly speaking). A few years back, he was "pushing" the 6.5 Grendel as a big game cartridge.

He personally attested to dropping an Elk at 425 yards with said cartridge using an all copper bullet. That is to say, the animal dropped on the spot. Taking the man's word, he almost certainly managed such a feat with a shot to the autonomic plexus.

We can celebrate such marksmanship, certainly. However, the wisdom of shooting an Elk with a 120 grain, 6.5mm copper mono with an estimated impact velocity of 1750 fps is perhaps an all together different discussion.


Sounds like you all have been afflicted with a bit of Americanitus. The fascination here with trying to make bullets perform like arrows dates at least back to my own child hood in the 90s. I've honestly no idea why punching through and through wounds with 100% weight retention is so desirable.

I love Norma, but when I look at the 180 grain Bondstrike with a published G1 of .610 I cannot help but think how nice it would be if one could expect vigorous expansion and perhaps some weight shedding for use at extended range.
16 Mar 2021
@ 12:43 am (GMT)

Lane Salvato

Re: Effective Game Killing - part 2
@David, well said. There is a manufacturer here in the United States that makes fully frangible lead-free bullets and people treat them like they don't exist despite the fact that their bullets are out of this world effective. No matter how many articles Nathan writes on this subject the solid copper folks who constantly talk about "getting a passthrough" like they are shooting arrows always pop up and try to make an argument.

For anyone interested in lead-free bullets with actual performance and not hype, the bullet company is Dynamic Research Technologies. I'm not affiliated with them in any way. I just use their projectiles to great effect.

And as far as lead goes, if there is ever a ban it will not be due to science or evidence for the need, just the steady liberal drumbeat of finding anything useful, good, or fun and ruining it for the rest of us.


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