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A Magnum for a Hack

14 Nov 2019
@ 12:01 pm (GMT)

Ryan Nafe

Fellas,

Nathan’s idea of using a hack (all-around rifle) and a magnum (more power and range) is something I think is a very sound concept. However, I’ve been doing a bit of thinking on this and I’ll share my idea about it with you, let me know what you think:

If O’Connor used the 130 grain .277” Partition to take a few examples of almost every conceivable game species and weight, I could certainly do the same thing with the 160 grain .284” at a similar muzzle velocity. It’d be a little light and narrow for large game like moose, but it would suffice in the same manner as using a .243 on large mule deer.

If the current setup of my magnum, 47” overall and almost exactly 12 pounds loaded and ready, can be handloaded to produce 1 MOA or less accuracy and doesn’t prove too long and bulky for brush hunting, I see no reason why I couldn’t use the one rifle and load for all North American game species out to ranges of 400 yards. The scope on it is easily useful out to that range and also for 50 yards or otherwise close shots.

So essentially, in this case, my magnum could easily be my hack, meaning I have one tool to accomplish all tasks with.

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14 Nov 2019
@ 02:48 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
The way I see it, any calibre can do anything within reason. The people here have successfully killed moose, deer, bears (both species) with a .22LR, 30-30, .303, .270, .308, 30-06, 7mm, 8mm, .338mag, .444, .458. The whole gamut. You use what you have, become proficient with it, choose suitable ammo and go for it.
14 Nov 2019
@ 02:57 pm (GMT)

Fernando Cundin

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
This is a prudent and directly frugal position. From my readings of Nathan’s material and the forum here I have resigned to rely on the 30-06 as a do all tool. In learning my rifle well and loading up or down or with specialized bullets I have advantaged the flexibility of the popular 30-06.

Although magnum speeds are not reachable and being rather handicapped with a shorter 20” barrel I have nonetheless found components to optimize for the predominant swamp and brush hunting conditions I have access to. For example Winchester 180 power point factory ammo is cheap easy to find and most importantly has a soft bullet that works well as a general close to medium range (150 meters) for whitetail and pigs both. Similarly 170 grain Sierra FN or Nosler RN bullets at about 2500 FPS are well tailor made for snap shooting in close with open sights or a red dot.

Long range out to 300 meters is still doable with a variety of bullets, but the 165 SST has proven deadly when driven as fast as I can load it. Thus I have worried less about a more ideal 4 inches longer barrel, and instead dug deep into shooting form, execution and optimized reloading for my conditions and quarry.

Best
14 Nov 2019
@ 03:38 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Ryan it sounds like you want a 35 Whelen AI with 24 inch barrel........
16 Nov 2019
@ 06:49 am (GMT)

Ryan Nafe

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Hey thanks for the feedback, guys.

Paul, yes but I don’t think I’d want to try to use something like a .243 for everything. If it’s a heavy enough bullet going fast enough for the ranges you wanna hunt at, then yes.

Fernando, the .30-06 is still probably one of the best all-around cartridges. Personally I would like to try it because it can launch heavier bullets like 180’s or even the 208 grain A-Max at speeds that I just can’t pull off with the .308

Warwick, the .35 Whelen, AI or not, would definitely be interesting to work with. Unfortunately it’s very difficult to find decent factory rifles in it these days.
16 Nov 2019
@ 08:19 am (GMT)

Luis Vazquez

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
#1 wpulb be my 7mm Rem Mag with the 162gr SST, that will take down from Javelina pigs to Elk and Moose, preferably a 26" but no shorter than a 24".

#2 would be a 7mm-08, I just love this cartridge with the 139gr SST for anything up mule deer, step up to the 154gr SST for Elk and Moose

I agree that the partition is a great bullet but it has failed me a couple of times already when it doesn't hit bone, but the SST never disappoints. Interlocks and Ballistic Silvertips have has also worked good for me on the 7mm-08.

The 30-06 will always be a great all around cartridge and the 243 is just not enough for elk and moose. The 35 Whelen AI or not can definitely handle all as well.
16 Nov 2019
@ 04:02 pm (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
I can't figure out why everyone thinks that moose are hard to kill. They are probably one of the easiest targets there is. They walk right up to you, stand broadside to you and wait. In 50+ years of moose hunting, I've only seen a handfull of moose killed at a distance of over 100 yards. Most of my kills were in the 50 - 70 yard range. One shot, freezer is full. We used to use the 190gr BTSP almost exclusively. Once I tried the 150gr BTSP just to see what it would do. Moose was at 40 yards, walking towards me straight on. Only now I know what my POI was, thanks to Nathan and his books. Smack dab in the centre of the thoracic autonomic plexus. One step, face plant. Any cartridge or calibre mentioned in this thread has been successfully and humanely used to kill moose.
16 Nov 2019
@ 04:19 pm (GMT)

Frank Vallich

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Hi Paul,

In Alberta, as well in BC, A SPECIAL DRAW. I engaged the minister regarding draws and suggested an accuracy contest. The old government hack was opposed. I have the email string, 17, saved. The President of hunter Education thought approvingly of the idea. That's why I can not acquire a moose. At the gun range I witness the bipod jumping all over the deck and no bullet within a 8 X 11 target. Then the guys with the gun rest or vice held down with a 50 lb plate from a weight set. I ask them if they take that rig hunting. Bahaha, yeah poor frickin ungulates. Gut shot or worse. A tragic comedy.
16 Nov 2019
@ 06:37 pm (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Frank, I like your idea, but maybe an IQ test score of at least 50 to get a driver's license would suffice (to keep them out of the woods).
17 Nov 2019
@ 08:08 am (GMT)

Vince

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Hi Ryan

I'm in the same position but in my case both my Hack and my "Magnum" could easily be the only rifle I use in NZ.

Based on the books the 7mm08 is usable to 870 yards, the 280ai to 1000 yards (making some assumptions about rifles, loads and shooter ability of course).

My max field range is 400 yards in good conditions and while this might stretch out as my shooting and abilities to read wind improve I can't see it going past 870!

I only discovered this forum and the book series a couple of years ago and while I might have bought one or both of the calibres I now have I wouldn't have bought either rifle, I guess you live and learn.

Having said that they both shoot well if I do my bit and you probably learn more from a fussy rifle than one that shoots everything straight out of the box.

In terms of using one rifle for everything it makes a lot of sense from a success / putting meat in the freezer perspective, but if you have a bit of disposable income a new project is a lot of fun. I've been thinking about a rifle for long range rabbits and wallabies recently, could come up with a suitable load for the 7mm08 ..... always wanted a 222

Cheers

Vince
17 Nov 2019
@ 10:02 am (GMT)

Luis Vazquez

Re: A Magnum for a Hack
Vince, in your case I would I definitely go with 7mm-08, no need for more.
 

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