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Soft points going too fast to expand!!

15 Jun 2019
@ 05:55 am (GMT)

Connor Huntbach

On a U.K. hunting website there is a debate going on where several so called pro shooters are claiming that soft point hunting bullets will fail to expand if pushed too fast (if the animal is too close or you are using too potent a cartridge). Apparently they have seen this happen hundreds of times and anyone who believes that it is simply down to the bullets construction or shot placement is an idiot! The link is https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/threads/soft-point-expansion.169372/ if anybody fancies a laugh!! It shows you the level of stupidity and stubbornness that we have to deal with here in the U.K.! [b]

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16 Jun 2019
@ 05:47 pm (GMT)

Luis Vazquez

Re: Soft points going too fast to expand!!
Hi Connor,

When you are using a soft point cup and core bullet at a close range impact with a velocity at or above 3,000 fps you will experience instant bullet blow up, there will be severe and shallow damage with minimal penetration that might not even reach the vitals, causing a very slow death and might even lose the animal.

That's why it's important to use the proper bullet for what game animal and at what distance you plan to hunt, and also the right bullet for the right cartridge.

Example:
For my 7mm-08 the Hornady 139gr SST works great and short distances and up to 500m. It expands great due to the lower velocity produced by this cartridge.

On my 7mm Rem Mag I can't use that bullet, at short range that bullet will blow up on impact, but a bonded bullet like the 140gr Accubong or 139gr Interbond will hold together just fine and penetrate all the way through. Although for long range a heavier bullet with a higher BC will work better, like a 160gr ABLR or the ELD-X.

In my experience, I had a deer that I had to shoot twice because I hit it with a 140gr Ballistic Tip at a magnum velocity and under 100m and the bullet did not penetrate the shoulder due to the blow up, fortunately I was able to provide a quick follow up shot and to end the animals life. I learned the hard way.

16 Jun 2019
@ 05:52 pm (GMT)

Luis Vazquez

Re: Soft points going too fast to expand!!
Forgot to mention, unfortunately lots of hunters worldwide won't educate themselves or even learn from experience. They claim to know it all and aren't open to other opinions or new knowledge, or proven research like the one provided here by Nathan and Steph.
17 Jun 2019
@ 05:12 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Soft points going too fast to expand!!
Way too many apples and oranges, along with a plum or two, and steel plates (for some reason).

17 Jun 2019
@ 05:16 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Soft points going too fast to expand!!
" Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."
17 Jun 2019
@ 07:33 am (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Soft points going too fast to expand!!
I did read it,

Most seemed pretty certain this was an anomaly. One person though... LOW BC bullet going fast means pencil holes?

I mean physics would disagree but you know... He's right to say that sometimes bullets don't perform as expected, but the reality is if your expectations are right they rarely will deviate. Each bullet has been constructed for a given task.
If you had a flatpoint 44cal going 3000fps it's going to leave a crater in the earth behind the animal, assuming it doesn't vaporise.

Similarly, we know that you must have 3000fps on copper solids to get half decent results.
 

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