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308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deer
@ 04:45 pm (GMT) |
Brett WrightHi all,Tossing up trying the Woodleigh protected point in 150gn or 130gn or Barnes TSX130gn in my 308 Kimber 84m classic. Have used Nosler Ballistic Tips in 150gn and they were effective but concerned me with what was left of them sometimes (nothing). Also not a great match in the Kimber due to COAL space. Mainly hunt up to 200m with average shots around 75m (in last three years its been 10m - 160m). I shoot the Kimber well but she's lively with top loads in 150gn. I am flirting with the idea of 130gn but can find much on the Woodleigh performance in 308 on reds. Should add that I hunt for meat not trophy so we take what we see and average 50/50 hinds/stags in varying weight. Cheers, Brett. |
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@ 05:37 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerHi BrettThe 150 PP Woodleigh's are great in 308 on Red's I've used heaps of them. I now use 168 Z-Max with good results only because they're half the price of the Woodleigh's |
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@ 02:03 am (GMT) |
Brett WrightRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerThanks Bob, great to hear they do well. 👍I was a little concerned they might be too tough. Did you ever try the 130gn? We don’t see a lot of big stags so thought a tough 130gn might be a good match as well as tame the recoil a bit. The recoil doesn’t bother me except the kimber is so light it’s pretty lively and you must do your job well for accuracy. The only other thing about the woodleigh is the low BC but I can live with that. Cheers Brett |
@ 08:27 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerHi Brett, whether you fire a light bullet quickly or a heavy bullet slowly, recoil energy is the same. Having said this, sometimes the slower loads produce more of a rolling recoil. But a 130 grain bullet travelling at 3000-3100fps 'should' not produce high recoil. However, should is an irrelevant word because as you know, the little Kimber can be a mongrel of a rifle to use due to its welter weight. Its the price we pay for being pussies. We either have to man up and take the weight or man up and take the recoil (or suppress it - which on a Kimber causes a whole new bunch of problems). Not that this has anything to do with the choices you have made. You weren't to know.Both the 130gr TSX and the GS Custom work well when driven fast and used at close to moderate ranges. They will do everything you want of them and can handle all the angles. Your BT bullet was a bit light in weight for Reds. The design is however deliberate, like the Gameking, the goal being to cause maximum internal damage, also in lieu of ideal shot placement and with some uniformity across the velocity spectrum, something that the Barnes cannot do. Bob has achieved the same with his 168gr load, a bullet that is not overly reliant on impact velocities, causes maximum internal wounding wounding and so forth. Light and stout or heavy and soft, its really up to you. One is very good at close to moderate ranges, the other is good at longer ranges. In the middle, we have the likes of the 165gr SST which has a small level of control (a small internal swage lock along with the external cannelure). This bullet has a relatively good weight, has a thick jacket, yields a moderate speed, dumps a vast amount of energy yet gives adequate penetration. This bullet will not handle heavily raking shots (produces delayed killing but with wide internal wounding) but if you are meat hunting, you will not be using the rifle in this manner. |
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@ 12:54 am (GMT) |
Brett WrightRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerThanks Nathan,I’m going to give the Woodleigh’s a try in 130gn. Have loaded some up in 2208 today for accuracy testing at the range and if all good will hopefully try them out in early August. I think they’ll suit the deer and ranges we shoot. I’ll let you know how I go. Regards Brett. |
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@ 08:15 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerHi Brett.The 130gn Woodleigh's double in diameter on impact & hold together just like the photos on their website. I was given some 130's to test on Rusa Deer before they were release, they rarely penetrated all the way through, usually under the skin on the opposite side. Because of the low BC I only used them out to 200m. I found I had to play with my loads to get them below MOA but out to 200m it won't matter. |
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@ 10:22 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerGood observations Bob, this seems to be the norm with any of the low SD Woodleighs driven fast. A most important consideration is of course that energy is delivered where it is needed. The only concern is on very large animals where sometimes, the combo of high velocity, low SD and a wide mushroom will not allow penetration through several inches of muscle and bone. On the other hand, when using a bonded bullet velocity is key to enhancing performance. A major factor with regards to penetration can therefore be bullet weight and SD versus the given situation. In any case, the 130gr WC will not suffer any major limitations in Bretts situation where game weights are hopefully not too high and ranges not too long. By the same token, this approach will have it limitations.Brett, 2208 is on the slow side for this bullet weight but it will help keep the recoil down a bit. If you want to really get this up and boogying, try 2206H. |
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@ 11:20 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerAgreed Nathan 2206H, I forgot to mention that.Brett, I use Lapua palmer cases they use a small rifle primer, very tough case. The 130's worked well but I found the Woodleigh 150 & 165gn P/P covered a broader spectrum of game weigh, more accurate in my rifle and a better BC. The 130's will work well for your application and you won't be spitting out bits of jacket & lead :) Cheers Bob |
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@ 11:41 pm (GMT) |
Brett WrightRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerThanks guys, good information. As I said earlier I’m only shooting out to 200m and most around 100m and have always had success with the BTips however was looking for something a bit tougher.We loaded 2208 (I had some 2206 but not 2206h) and off the ADI sight 2208 gave best velocity with their test rifle (24” barrel and 130gn speer hp). starting at 47gn (2975) and max load 50gn (3130). I’ve loaded from 47 to 49.5 and will be looking for the most accurate. The kimber is 22” so will only lose approx 50fps from those numbers hopefully so plenty of speed out to 200. Off to the range tomorrow so fingers crossed the kimber likes woodleighs! If not I’ll try the Woodleigh 150gn and Nosler Partition 150gn. Cheers and thanks for the great info, Brett. |
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@ 08:16 am (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerHi Brett.I'm a meat hunter but I also do a lot of culling out to long-ranges, I like to stick to one pill and get used to it's trajectory, I use 168 Z-Max in 308 & 30-06 and head shoot my meat animals, they taste a lot better than a heart shot Deer. I used a 6mm Remington for a long time but they do too much meat damage on body shots, I mainly use a 308Win now. My mate is building me another 308Win 26" heavy barrelled rifle for my quad for long range culling. I'm not a fan of Barnes but for what your doing, in close (meat damage etc) the 130gn TSX or Hornady 125gn GMX will work if you can place your shot well. if you have time to head or neck shoot anything will work. If snap shooting and out to 200 I think Woodleigh's is your best option if they shoot well in your rifle. Good luck with it mate, by the time you get it all sorted you'll be old like me :) |
@ 12:21 am (GMT) |
zane cameronRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerG'day Brett.Seen ya post and just thought id share with you my # 1 load ive been using for the last few years. Im shooting a Tikka T3 308 With a Mc Millan stock and a Nightforce Atacr compact F1 scope with Sako Optilock rings , Scopes a bit of an over kill for what I use it for but anyway. Im loading Lapua or Sako Brass and 45.5 grains of 2208 (which suits my rifle) and 150 grain Woodleigh pp ,with Rem primers. I seat the bullet fairly close and single feed for my longer shots in the tikka mag but also seat to mag length for bush work. So far i've taken many sambar stags (and hinds) out to 200 yrds with them and they've been awesome. Shot Two Red stags in the roar with them recently one at 100 yrds and the other at 380 yrds and dropped them both. The longer shot poll axed him through both shoulders and when head skinning the stag my knife hit the projectile under the skin on opposite shoulder. Hada look at the projectile and it had mushroomed to the ogive. Was surprised at that range but reckon I would'nt push them to much further than that maybe out to 450. They are a great bullet in the 308 and 300 win mag also. $40 au packet. I group only around .8 inch @ 100 but thats ok. They are a great tough bone crusher bullet and work much better than the rem core lokt which are great to but i reckon much harder at range. |
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@ 01:05 pm (GMT) |
Brett WrightRe: 308 Woodleigh Protected point or Barnes TSX on red deerThanks for the feedback Zane, great to hear they perform so well.I had good results at the range but still deciding on which load to go forward with. The 130gn suits the short magazine of the kimber as i've had feed problems in the past (with 150gn BT's) and i've reduced COAL they have now gone away. Shot nice groups at or under 1 inch with 48.5 and 49.5 gr 2208 so im back there with more soon to find out which I am more consistent with for the first and second shot on a cold barrel (as they are the ones that count). Cheers Brett. |
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