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muzzle brake or new stock

05 Apr 2013
@ 11:58 pm (GMT)

Warrick Edmonds

I've got a Weatherby 7mm rem mag with the factory wood stock. I've spent some time tuning the loads for a 154gr bullet to just under 3100ft/sec. Its taken aruond 200 rounds to do this and set the scope for PBR. Out of those 200 rounds I wore the scope twice in the eye, once seeing stars. I wear clear glasses when shooting so no damage other than to my dignity. Its likely I just got careless at the bench but there's nothing like a friendly kiss on the forehead to make me concentrate! The other rounds i use, 243 and 308 don't bother me at all. I was considering getting a muzzel brake for the 7mm. However reading this forum and the long range book, I was thinking the issue might lie more in the shape of the stock. The price of a new stock Vs muzzel brake is comparable give or take, so I'm asking would I be better served up-grading the stock and skipping the brake. The rifle is for carry in wooded country, no quad bike transport so weight is an issue.(at the bench I put my left hand lightly on the barrel just forward of the scope to mitigate jump, scope is a Nikon with four inches relief).

cheers
W

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06 Apr 2013
@ 04:03 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: muzzel brake or new stock
Talk about put me on the spot Warrick.

Just re-reading through your post (woods carry rifle), I get the impression that you are leaning towards getting a new stock rather than a brake. I can only tell you that if you take a snap shot in woods conditions with a brake and no hearing protection- you'll only do it once. There is another recent thread here, a reader called Jim passionately dislikes brakes because of the risks. I am somewhat in the same camp. I try to reserve the use of muzzle brakes for 'absolutely have to" situations such as portable magnum medium bores.

Anyway, here is what you need to know. Your rifle is generating what I would call manageable recoil. It is getting towards the upper limit for many shooters but is still within manageable limits. So I think that stock design is where you need to be looking, stock design and shooting technique.

I once had to shoot two Howa rifles side by side in 7mm RM. One was a Howa with a Varmint stock (a rare model plastic stock), the second rifle was a Vanguard with typical monte carlo stock. The monte carlo definitely produced significantly more recoil. The trouble is, there are not many options for the Weatherby rifles. B&C for example, make the monte carlo stocks that Weatherby use on their rifles. Have a look at Boyds, they may be the best bet. If you want a glass stock, it may have to be a custom McMillan.

You mentioned that you place your hand on top of the barrel. I would prefer that you used one of the methods in the hold that forend article in the knowledge base It is also imperative that you use a sling to help keep the rifle down.

The answer will be a combination of the above Warrick- stock style and technique. You have probably already double checked that the scope is as far forwards as you can comfortably use it.
06 Apr 2013
@ 11:11 pm (GMT)

jason brown

Re: muzzel brake or new stock
for what its worth, warrick...
i once thought about a muzzle brake on my 7mm rem mag. i cant remember exactly why i was thinking that.
but i had never heard one on a rifle.
well i have since then joined a rifle range. and i will never have one on a rifle.
even if i see one at the range, i will move as far away as i can from that guy. im not sure where you live and your local laws, but if i did need some recoil reduction i would get a suppressor.
luckly my stock is a good one and i dont need or use either. but if you havnt heard a muzzle brake before, make sure you do before putting one on your rifle.
07 Apr 2013
@ 01:23 am (GMT)

Warrick Edmonds

Re: muzzel brake or new stock
Jason, I live in South Australia, where fitting a supressor triggers latent insanity and base criminal urges. Apparently while ten centimeters of steel tube makes us flip out and go bannanas, it doesn't have the same mind altering affects on the gentle folk of New Zealand. Go figure!

Nathan / Jason, thanks for the advice. I looked at the Boydes stocks and can't see a lot of differnce in shape between their classic and what's already fitted to the Weatherby. Or am I missing something. I haven't been using a sling at the range, though I do when field carrying. Maybe that was the issue. Essentially I'm happy with the rifle, it gets the bullet from here to there right quick, I just need to refine my technique. What did you say your next book is about Nathan, was it technique ? While I'm being a pest, consider some chapters on reloading if you have nothing else to do.

W
07 Apr 2013
@ 01:39 am (GMT)

jason brown

Re: muzzel brake or new stock
yes, i have put my order in for the next book too.
07 Apr 2013
@ 04:12 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: muzzel brake or new stock
Hi Warrick, you can send me a photo of the stock if you like. The WBY stocks are not usually of a classic design, most are monte carlo, raised cheek piece but with a lot of drop at the recoil pad.

Yes, the sling and tweaking technique will make quite a difference. Would be nice if a few simple changes are the fix.

The next book is called The practical guide to long range hunting cartridges. Regardless of the knowledge base, questions pertaining to long range cartridges still serve the bulk of my incoming mail. I would have loved to have gone into technique and also reloading, but I can only work through one subject at a time and had to make a call. I thought the cartridge choice as the subject of the next book would be the natural linear progression.
12 Apr 2013
@ 11:38 pm (GMT)

Warrick Edmonds

Re: muzzle brake or new stock
Well, two days ago I got the bill for my son's braces, $7,000. That was a thrilling moment ! Unfortunately it also makes any discussions about customising my rifles academic since I'll be spending the next hundred years paying for the fuel bill on the dentists porche.

We're all looking forward to the next book installment Nathan.

W
13 Apr 2013
@ 03:49 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: muzzle brake or new stock
Doesn't seem right does it. I feel for you.

 

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