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Podcast, Nathan

26 Sep 2017
@ 09:07 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Sorry, miles behind the 8 ball here.

I have a pod cast very shortly (NZ 930am) with a Kiwi (ex NZDF) starting his own podcast channel. If you have any questions for me, the facebook page is here:

https://www.facebook.com/zeroalphapodcast/

Right, better go put a coffee on and get ready.

Again, my apologies for being so late, just the way its been this last week.

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26 Sep 2017
@ 09:30 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
...smoking jacket, pipe, stroking cat....kissy faces with cat....not now cat!!!!
26 Sep 2017
@ 10:07 am (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Podcast, Nathan
I actually just binned my Facebook account. It was getting too stupid for me. I found myself becoming part of the stupid. If you see this question:

What are the major differences between brands of powder that advertise similar or the same burn rates? Which one is best overall? (Brand)
26 Sep 2017
@ 10:37 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Well, looks like a no show, not sure what happened.

Andrew, good on you for hitting the kill switch.

As to your question, the best powder is the one that you can buy in 4lb lots cheaply so that you can take a spade and stock pile it in the yard.

Ok, seriously, the powders are pretty much ISO rated now so that many can if need be interchanged by military allied forces. There are always some minor differences which require caution when reloading but you will find basic similarities between many powders. The back of the ADI manual is very good because it shows how closely related your local powders are to others, though it does not show that many Hodgdon powders are simply ADI re-branded for the U.S market. On the Hodgdon website, you can find out more about each powder via the MSDS sheets for each powder (including IMR).

Do take note that there will be ongoing changes in the powder industry over the next decade resulting in greater differences until the industry is once again settled.

But for you personally, you will not find a better powder than ADI 2206H for your .308. It is a wonderful powder for your rifle and works well with all bullet weights. 2208 can also be very good in a long barrel with heavy bullets but can be less responsive during load work. You do not yet have a chrony and furthermore the velocity gains are not earth shattering unless you are really pushing the limits and running the heaviest of pills. So for the sake of simplicity and optimum results, 2206H is the way to go.
26 Sep 2017
@ 06:05 pm (GMT)

Sebastian Shand

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Gidday Nathan
I'm not sure if the podcast went ahead or not but a question that came to mind recently is have you ever done any bow hunting? And if not is it something that interests you at all? What are your thoughts on the process?
27 Sep 2017
@ 04:13 am (GMT)

Paul Leverman

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Not sure if this is what you were referring to, Nathan. If it isn't, feel free to delete it.

http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders/equivalents.asp
27 Sep 2017
@ 04:42 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

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That works Paul. Note for others that 2206H is the same as H4895

My .308 Winchester rifles love the stuff.
27 Sep 2017
@ 10:29 am (GMT)

Andrew Murray

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Cheers Nathan, and Paul too for the link.

It is disappointing that the podcast did not go ahead. I hope that whatever happened it can in the future. The more information out there the better. Especially when it isn't just a rehashed version of something someone else said one time.

On a similar but different note. I saw a video of a couple on youtube taking 2000yd shots with their 308. They would say what load they were using but did mention it was their own special handload. Perhaps a very heavy bullet with some magical powder load (superformance maybe??) Either way the point was to show how much energy was left in the projectile at that range.

I can only imagine they have been asked by many to make such a video. Kind of a negative feedback loop. I was amazed they got on target only 2 or 3 hits from memory but Di am not sure how many shots were fired to make that happen. I just think it will lead to people taking the 308 and attempting to shoot at this well beyond what is reasonable for that cartridge.

I don't think I have done a good job explaining myself but the point I am making is that kind of shooting coupled with video editing makes for very unreasonable expectations. Especially considering how bloody hard the wind was blowing during the video in question.
27 Sep 2017
@ 11:02 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Hi Andrew, the podcast went through earlier this morning. The host James, had trouble with rural internet yesterday (no surprise with this weather).

I will post a link when its live. Readers can also periodically check the Alpha Zero Podcast facebook page if they want to beat me to it.
27 Sep 2017
@ 05:10 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Here we go:

https://soundcloud.com/user-36198543/episode-2-feat-nathan-foster-from-terminal-ballistics-research
27 Sep 2017
@ 06:52 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Sounds good mate. Cheers for the link.
29 Sep 2017
@ 03:16 am (GMT)

Ricardo Laborin

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Nathan couldn't be cajoled into saying what was the ultimate setup rifle/cartridge....haha.
29 Sep 2017
@ 06:28 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

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good interview Nathan and good questions from jimmy.
out of curiosity more then anything what model was your first 243?

its interesting to hear you talking about how in most cases the bullet makers know what they are up to.
got me wondering if sierra brought the tmk out on purpose knowing that people were using the smk on game.
did they take a gamble to that with the 6.5 and below would probably be used on heavy game so reduces the tip size to aid penetration?
it could all be coincidence and im trying to make dots join that don't.
29 Sep 2017
@ 07:32 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Hi Thomas, we really need a part 2 so I can elaborate, things I wish I had said in hindsight. It is very hard to get all of this across when put on the spot. For example, I feel that some manufacturers are making quite terrible bullets. I think that these bullet makers actually understand what is required of a bullet but simply ignore it. They have the same vast knowledge pool and ongoing feedback but do nothing about it for various reasons.

Others simply pull the wool so to speak, announcing long range bullet designs with no actual qualifying information or definitions. Or they may have a bullet with both great strengths and weaknesses, but only highlight the strengths which is of course natural from a sales point of view, but not so good for the hunter or game. Its a short view of things.

We also have many 'up and comings' who rather than try to learn what makes a good bullet, go the other way and instead develop a bullet, then try to justify its usage. Some try to make contact with me to promote such designs. If only they had made contact at the beginning of their projects, allowing me to test prototypes, not the end.

As I get older, I am becoming more forgiving towards myself for making mistakes in conversation. It is simply very hard to bring all research to bare in a single moment. Yet still, I do not want to send folk up the garden path with off hand statements and get frustrated with such things. So I think perhaps we need a part two so I can answer questions and go into more detail.
29 Sep 2017
@ 07:37 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Sorry- my .243 rifle was a Brno.
29 Sep 2017
@ 08:55 am (GMT)

Luke Lahdenranta

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Thanks for posting that up Nathan, I enjoyed the shoot the breeze on the podcast. I hope you do get to do a part 2.

I had to laugh about the comments near the end about the gun weights and 9.5 lb being a good average weight. I was just reading a thread about guys bragging up their ultralight weight rifles (from a big name manufacturer that you refuse to work on) that come in around 6lb scoped. I've never shot a rifle that light but I really do wonder about those guns. Everybody atleast on the internet, claims to love them, how light they are and how they all shoot into half MOA supposedly and with perfect comfort... seems to defy the laws of physics. I wonder if you get a lot of phone calls or emails about guys asking for help with their 6lb WSM flyweight rifles??

I really thought my scoped Tikka T3 243 was lighter than the 8lb scoped my bathroom scale says it is. It seems pretty light.
29 Sep 2017
@ 09:09 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Podcast, Nathan
I do get a lot of mail and calls that are as a result of these factors, just as you expected Luke.

As you say, its just physics.

The trail of bullshit just seems to be increasing. For example, we have carbon fiber barrel makers suggesting that having carbon fiber on a barrel reduces felt recoil and that you can fire dozens of shots and the barrel will not heat up (because if you put your hand on the outer wrap, you cannot feel the heat). Meanwhile, the inner is melting away. All of this for a rifle that most folk will either struggle to shoot when the chips are down- or are forced to apply add ons which create new sets of problems.
29 Sep 2017
@ 12:09 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Podcast, Nathan
I think people that have read the cartridge book will understand what you meant Nathan and those that haven't should.

I thought straight away about how speer and Sierra use a two prong approach to cover situations but yet don't explain their bullet designs very well to hunters.

I know exactly who your talking about, they also seemed to of quietly dropped their actions to.

Luke this is very common here, fluted tikka cut short with light weight carbon fiber stocks then they add a suppressor to manage recoil, I can understand the idea behind but it's when you start trying to take cross valley shots your really hamstringing yourself.

Wasn't many options in those days, think winchester was about the only yank ones to but most brand were Mausers, think early bsa (hunter model?) Was a Mauser to.

29 Sep 2017
@ 05:25 pm (GMT)

Luke Lahdenranta

Re: Podcast, Nathan
Sierra for their part does have a little write up on each of their hunting bullets trying to gently steer the 300 RUM user away from 150 gr game king and into the 180 or 200 gr, for example, but I don't know how many hunters bother to read those little write ups. Their always seem to be a certain segment of hunters/shooters who simply insist on utilizing whatever bullet happens to fit for whatever purpose and expect it to work perfectly and every time.


And the question of which cartridge/rifle is perfect is a pretty silly one if you ask me, everybody knows that the perfect hunting cartridge for big game is the 30-06 with the 180 gr partition. :)
29 Sep 2017
@ 07:50 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Podcast, Nathan
I'm pretty sure Nathan said that the 308 was the best. He didn't use those words but he didn't have to haha! On another note I would say my rifle is heavy but it is just under 5kg or 11lb. I do appreciate it when shooting but adjusting and getting into proper position takes a bit of effort. That said I would rather adjust my own self to the task than adjust the task to suit my needs. Rise to the challenge so to speak.
 

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