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New Horady ELD bullet weights released

22 Nov 2016
@ 08:24 pm (GMT)

Charles Turner

A new load of bullet weights have been released by Hornady in their ELD range. I'm a .22, .25, .28 and .30 user. But in this line of bullets I'm interested in the 7mm's...

Anyway they've released a 180gr 7mm ELD (not an ELD-X). http://www.hornady.com/store/7mm-.284-180-gr-ELD-Match/

This could be awesome. BC's haven't been announced, but judging by the 162gr ELD it should be over .700. This could be better than the old Berger 180 given it's plastic tip. And there's potential for a dual load between Bergers/Hornadys for short/long range if hunting large animals.

They've also announced a 147gr 6.5mm, a 145gr .270 ELD-X and a 7mm 150 ELD-x. As well as a load of heavy .22's.

It's about time the.25 got some love!

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22 Nov 2016
@ 09:08 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Your 180 grain eld-match bullets might require fairly spicy loads and/or a 1:9 or faster twist. Could not find where they list the bullet length for that one but the similar Berger Hunter VLD states 1:9 or faster was recommended.

I was testing 175 grain ELD-X loads and they did want speed in my 1:9.5 twist barrel. Unfortunately that old barrel gave up the ghost while doing all that, so I am rebarrelling to a Benchmark 5R barrel with a 1:9 twist finished to 25 inches and will have the gunsmith use a VLD style reamer

Then I will get to try all over again. Loads of fun...

The older barrel had shown a real preference for the 162 grain ELD-X bullets driven to 3000fps to start with but as the barrel was near shot out things went south fast.
22 Nov 2016
@ 10:10 pm (GMT)

Charles Turner

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Yeah I won't be using these in my 1:9.5. But it's a good thing that we have more heavy options. I'll be getting a tighter twist in the future. For now I'm happy with the 162 SST's and 168 VLD's that I've used, I've never shot anything else apart from these two at game. But it's nice to have the option of the heavier versions if they are more of a good thing.

22 Nov 2016
@ 10:14 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Hi Charles, yes, the 180gr certainly looks gook.

To my readers, please take note of the following.

Now that I have had a good measure of time to test the ELD-X in a variety of chamberings, it is is important to understand that it can produce high pressures. I have been shooting the ELD-M and X every day now, through the week and weekends, target and hunting, compiling data, fully immersed in research.

In cartridges such as the 7mm-08 and .308Win, I have found that the freebore tames pressures. Loading is fairly straight forwards.

In the magnums, pressures can be very high if caution is not applied. The shorter the freebore, the more this becomes apparent. You may have to drop charges by 6 grains, then work back up. I have never had to drop this low for other bullets. I have seen this now in a few rifles, not just one, so again, please pay attention to this.

By the same token, sweet spots may be 100fps below where you anticipate.

I have been experimenting with accuracy into and off the lands. As per usual, my magnums like it close (but again watch for pressures), the mild cartridges handle jump well. Getting down to .4 is no major headache in the magnums but getting down inside .3 requires a great deal more work so you must be prepared to go the distance if you want to use these out long. In any case, budget 100fps slower than you might expect to avoid disappointment in anything approaching overbore.

23 Nov 2016
@ 12:24 am (GMT)

Charles Turner

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Hi Nathan,

That's annoying regarding your results. So no substituting loads for the 162 Amax for the ELD-X in a 7 mag for example then?

Do you have a theory as to what is causing the excess pressure? Given bullets of a similar form are not commonly known to cause high pressure it seems odd, especially given their low bearing surface for weight ratio. Actually... thinking about it, a guy on 'Deer Stalking UK' FB page posted a pic where he'd measured all the the base to ogive of his lot of 7mm 175gr (i think), and they varied considerably. Perhaps if you were on or close to the lands this divergence was enough to cause the odd spike in pressure from a long bullet or two? I'll post the pic I'm talking about here tomorrow.

Thanks for sharing your research and advise, it's especially useful with new and untested products.
23 Nov 2016
@ 07:35 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Hi Charles. No, am not talking about odd pressure spikes.

Will publish full findings in the near future.
24 Nov 2016
@ 07:03 pm (GMT)

john feyereisn

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Quote:
Hi Charles. No, am not talking about odd pressure spikes.

Will publish full findings in the near future.


I will be interested to learn more, mostly about terminal performance. So far would you decribe it as a high bc sst or a amax with an interlock ring? Maybee a completely different animal altogether?
24 Nov 2016
@ 07:16 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
As I have said in other threads, this is quite simply a high BC SST. There are some differences as I will soon relate but this should give you all the general idea and starting point.

The ELD-X is in no way similar to the A-MAX. The A-MAX bullet is now called the ELD-M.
01 Dec 2016
@ 03:12 am (GMT)

Hamish Gibbs

Re: New Horady ELD bullet weights released
Just to clarify, is it just the eld x to be wary of or both the eld designs? Not far off developing a 208 eld m load for 300 wsm, is it worthwhile experimenting with freebore for velocity creation with a custom long throat?
 

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