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Remington 760 and 7600 rifles

12 Nov 2012
@ 01:08 pm (GMT)

Craig Henard

Hi Nathan,just curious whether you have ever worked with these rifles ?
As you know these are the older and newer versions of remington Pump rifles.
I have had several of these rifles and currently have a 243 winchester Synthetic 7600 and a 30-06 760.
Both of these rifles will put 3 shots into less than an inch at 100 yards.
I have done a trigger job on both of them and while the triggers are certainly not bolt they are ok.
I leke em as they dont jam and are accurate and relatively lightweight.7.5 pounds and less bare.
Given the accuracy of an inch and performance of the cartridges what would you say would be a good max range for whitetail deer.Again deer ranging from 100 to 250 plus for a real monster.
Thanks
Regards
Craig

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12 Nov 2012
@ 04:19 pm (GMT)

Matt Reid

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Hi Craig,

If you pop over to the knowledge base you should find plenty of info regarding to the calibres you have mentioned, their terminal performance and appropriate matching of bullets to game weight.

You have already defined your accuracy as around 1 moa. Is this consistent and repeatable? Assuming it is, this would most likely limit you to within 300 yards (assuming the calibre is up to the task) for ethical shot placement. This follows that 1 moa at 300 yards is 3 inches, either side of your point of aim. Combined with environmental factors and possbly less than ideal rest, in theory your shots should fall within an 6-8 inch circle, i.e the approximate kill zone on a deer.

Others may have different thoughts on this.

Matt
12 Nov 2012
@ 04:24 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Hi Craig.

From a military perspective, 1" or 1 MOA of accuracy is generally considered effective out to about 900 yards (M24 sniper rifle with factory ammo). I do not however translate this as meaning that an 1 MOA shooter is an effective 900 yard rifle. So many factors come into play.

Once a hunting rifle is shooting 1" at 100 yards, providing the caliber is appropriate for the game, using typical 3-9x40 optics, 300 yards is a good general practical effective range. With care, shots can be taken out to 400 yards.

In both rifles, there will be quite a bit of drop out at 400 yards. If using Kentucky elevation (simply aiming high), some hunters have a very good ability to visualize drop, others do not. In other words, while one hunter can picture what 24" of drop may look like at 400 yards, another hunter will struggle with the concept. Scopes with ballistic reticles can help a bit, but are usually not completely ideal. Long range optics are ofcourse moot, once you go down this path, the optics will out perform the rifle.

If your rifles are shooting 1" at 100 yards, potential group size at 300 yards is 3" and 4" at 400 yards. But to this we add field conditions and the fact that the rifle and ammunition are of a basic ilk, not tailored specifically for long range. Away from the rifle range and sand bags etc, a heavy trigger will effect accuracy slightly. Errors reading wind drift comes into play, Extreme velocity spread of basic hand loads / factory loads comes into play. Conventional soft point bullets will lack the high BC's of long range ammo. Under these conditions, I have found that it is realistic to double the group size, resulting in 6" at 300 yards and 8" at 400 yards.

This helps provide an understanding that in order to ensure clean killing at 400 yards, we need to be highly vigilant. Sure, with suitable optics and tailored loads, the .30-06 could perhaps be effective to 600 yards or more. But what we are talking about is a general hunting rifle. How far do we push this? From my own field experience, observing shooters with typical factory sporters, the above parameters are highly typical. Smaller groups can be achieved at 400 yards with care, in the region of 4 to 6" depending on field skills.

The .30-06 will cover all of your needs. As for the suitability of the .243, please use the knowledge base to study loads, game weights and effective ranges.

Hope that helps.

12 Nov 2012
@ 04:32 pm (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
HI Matt.thanks for the reply.
Yes the accuracy is repeatable even with me shooting and a 4x scope !
Matt if my theoretical accuracy at 300 yards is 3 inches(highly unlikely with me shooting !)then actually I would be shooting within 1-1/2 inches within point of aim I do believe.
now given the low power of my scope and as I said my shooting prowess(LOL)I might be lucky to hold them in 6-8 inches at 300!
Gonna have to get out and give it a try,
Thanks again for the input
Regards
Craig
12 Nov 2012
@ 04:38 pm (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
HI Nathan,you must have been writing a reply as I was replying to Matt !
Nathan do you care for ranging dots or prefer a rangefinder?
Thanks
regards
Craig
12 Nov 2012
@ 04:59 pm (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Nathan after reading the commentary on the 243 winchester I think maybe I need to confine my shots to 300 yards and less.
I am using the Barnes Vortex ammo with the 80 grain TTSX bullet.
so I think at extended ranges I would need to aim for shoulder(which I do most of the time anyway as I prefer to track as little as possible ).
I shot a small doe last year(75 pounds or so)at about 50 steps and the bullet hit the onside shoulder with a pinhole in the hide bit a 2.5 inch hole in onside ribcage destroying the onside shoulder and traveling the length of the deer to exit right inside the rear offside ham with the same destruction and exit hole . I was impressed to say the least BUT i am sure on out there where the bullet has lost a lot of velocity that the penetration will still be great but the entrance and exit holes will be much smaller.
of course with game animals there is a never know factor in that I have blown several whitetails heart completely into pieces(30-06 and 150 and 165 Federal Premiums and still had them run 100-150 yards. They are dead on their feet but apparently some of them just dont know it !Thats why I started shooting them in the shoulders years ago. I also believe in the more bullets theory! if they even remotely look like they are going anywhere I will hit em again.I would rather have less meat to eat because of bullet damage than no deer because I told myself it was a good shot and let the deer escape into a nearby bayou or slough.
I hunt agricultural areas where there are field and woods and water all close together.Hard to trail a deer in water !
Thanks
regards
Craig
12 Nov 2012
@ 05:18 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
I use range finders generally. Mil dot ranging is something I play with more as my own hobby. On game and beyond 400-500 yards (depending on caliber), I like to get the yardage right to the exact yard so as not to cause suffering to the animal, hence I will use a range finder. Military snipers don't have the same luxury, they have to be utterly proficient with mil dot ranging / analog ranging incase their range finder is damaged / destroyed in the field etc. They have to take the shot, I don't. So generally, I put less emphasis on mil dot ranging.
12 Nov 2012
@ 05:57 pm (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Thanks Nathan.
04 Jan 2013
@ 12:44 am (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
I know this is an older post but I just got to thinking(dangerous already !)about these rifles and you know they really are dandies!
They are relatively lightweight(bout 7.5 pounds with wood stock and 7.25 with synthetic stock.
They have a free floated barrel and pretty well all of them will put 3 into an inch or less at a hundred.
I am going to say the reciever is at least as stiff if not stiffer than the 700.
Extremely fast if you need a fast nother.
Very reliable(unlike some semi-autos)
Very easy to clean and replace parts on if needed.
Scope friendly.
Fast reload with extra magazine.
Quite a few calibers.243,270,308,30-06 Plus limited runs of 280,35 Whelen,7mm-08 etc. No Magnums though.
Only downside is the trigger which is a little mushy and set to heavy from the factory BUT can be tuned greatly,maybe not as good as the 700 but close!
Just curious whether many in New Zealand use one ??
07 Jan 2013
@ 09:34 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Hi Craig, we had a bad run of these in NZ during the 1980's and early 1990's. A reputation of very poor accuracy spread and gun writers recommended that the rifles not be used after many letters from readers and after consulting gunsmiths.

During the 1990's, the 7600 .35 Whelen was heavily promoted as the ideal Sambar rifle. The promotion was targeted at both Australian and NZ hunters. I do not know how well the rifle was received during this campaign. There are very few examples of second hand 7600 .35 Whelen rifles so I doubt the promotion was a huge success. One bad run of rifles can certainly affect overall market acceptance. On the other hand, for all I know, these rifles were so well received that their owners held on to them. The Whelen is certainly a wonderful cartridge.
08 Jan 2013
@ 01:45 am (GMT)

Craig Henard

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Hi Nathan,tough hearing about the bad run of rifles .
My experience with them (7 or 8)and I have Never had one that wouldn,t shoot 3 at a hundred into a 1.5 inch group with some sort of factory load and most of them are 1 inch shooters (or less).
I suppose a bad run of anything gets out,seems the trick is making sure the forend (or slide)doesn,t touch the barrel.
Also when benching one to be consistant where the rifle and hand are touching the bags.
A few claim that they rest the reciever on the bag but I keep my hand on the slide and rest it on the bag.also keeping in mind whether my hand is directly under the forearm . But whereever I want to keep my hand I make sure it is as close as possible to the same position as I can.
I concentrate more in pulling the rifle back into my shoulder than I do in holding it down on the bag.
Also I shoot 3 shot groups instead of 5 or 10.
I really dont care what it does in 5 or 10 as I am a hunter and best I can tell if I haven,t made a killing shot in preferebly 1 or 2 shots and certainly in 3 or 4 then I may just need some built in group dispersion !LOL
The only calibers I have had are various 270 win,30-06 and 243 calibers ,never tried the 308 or the others or the 35 Whelen.
I agree in principal though that the 35 ought to be a dandy.
My current 7600 is a synthetic 7600 243 Win .I bought the rifle used but in excellent shape ,the bore had been treated with UBC(Ultra Bore Coat)
I put a Leupold 4x33 compact on it in weaver rings and did a trigger job on it using a lighter spring and smoothing the hammer and sear surfaces. I left a little take up in the trigger as well. I have changed the angle before and came up with a trigger that was ultra crisp and light But I dont like it that light for most purposes. Only if I know all my shots are going to be taken at an undisturbed deer standing in the open and where I hunt i can be in brush where a 50 yard moving shot is possible and then in 30 seconds I may be standing in an open agri field.So a compromise is fine with me and 3,4 or even 5 Pounds is okay as long as it is consistant.
With this combo and Federal blue box 80 grains it shoots into an inch and using barnes TTSX and Varget does an inch as well.
Regards
Craig
08 Jan 2013
@ 02:39 pm (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Remington 760 and 7600 rifles
Thanks Craig, that is good to hear.
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