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The wonderful 35 cal

03 May 2016
@ 09:14 pm (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Hi Guys
As you know I love my 358 win. I came across this interesting site. It might open up some eyes on the great underrated 358 Winchester. I know the 35 Whelan is a little better & the 358 Norma is better again, but for hunting out to 300m its a great caliber on everything Australia has to hunt.

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Misc/358%20Winchester/The%20358%20Winchester.html

I'm leaving now to go hunting for a week.

Cheers
Bob

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04 May 2016
@ 02:51 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Now I am chomping at the bit to get my research uploaded.

Am going through my .357 mag notes at the moment. There is a lot to cover as Thomas will attest to after my idle chatting to him.
04 May 2016
@ 02:12 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
I truly enjoyed the articles in that link, and just might take an old Remington model 721 to create a .35 Whelen before I do a Remington 783 in .358 Winchester using a prefit barrel.

Will be fun, but I loaned my son that Rem 721 and now just have to get it back!!
08 May 2016
@ 05:58 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
If I were to proceed with a .358 Winchester build, one of the first things I would like to know is which bullets and weights people find best for overall use for elk and moose as well as the odd grizzly hunt for this caliber.

The above considered, I would think that for elk and moose in general a 225 grain should do wel most of the time, and give an acceptable trajectory as well. Given that a person might want to shoot closer at larger moose or a grizzly then perhaps a bullet like the 250 grain Speer Spitzer would be a choice.

So, what I am interested in knowing since searching the web and finding all kinds of answers from 35 whelen and 358 Win owners, I see there are no real best twist answers, so if I were to go with the 358 Winchester my choice might be a 22 inch heavy sporter barrel with a 1:14 twist.

I cannot see any real need for bullets heavier than the 250 grain, and I do not see a need for too fast a twist as in the 1:12 twist rate either. So what would you folks do?

I did try to online search in the forum for this kind of thread but did not find anything.
08 May 2016
@ 10:22 pm (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Hi Bryan
I use 225gn Sierra game kings & 225 Woodleigh P/P. For close heavy game 250gn Woodleigh's are very good.

I'll check later but I think my barrel is 1:12 not that heavy #4 22" long. Weighs 8 1/2 lbs total with a NXS 2.5-10x42 compact scope. The recoil doesn't hurt at all pushing 225's at 2620fps.

I neck up 308 Lapua palmer cases with the small primer tough as.

225 GK kill very well, I was a bit concerned at first, on big Samba the projectile was usually found under the skin on opp side and not a lot of it left. But that pill has never let me down.

The 225 & 250gn Woodleigh P/P are the best, $1 each but a great pill, they maintain most of their weight. see some Woodleigh photos here


09 May 2016
@ 12:21 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
For your Lapua Palma cases, what brand of primers have you chosen for them, and which powder are you loading?

These cases take the small rifle primers, do you use magnum primers or regular ones?

The expansion on those Woodleighs in your photo are darned nice. Were it not for the lead showing it might look like the petals on a spent Barnes TSX 250 grain. I would assume the Woodleighs are long, does your magazine load them with no issues?
09 May 2016
@ 12:45 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
I use Federal GM205M normal primers, ADI 2206H powder.

Woodleigh's are not long, flat base, maintain most of their weight, more than double in diameter, fit my mag and, in my opinion a heaps better projectile than Barnes. I've used Barnes, not for me.

Cheers
Bob
09 May 2016
@ 02:14 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Thanks for the info Bob.
10 May 2016
@ 01:04 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Quote:
Hi Bryan

I'll check later but I think my barrel is 1:12 not that heavy #4 22" long. Weighs 8 1/2 lbs total with a NXS 2.5-10x42 compact scope. The recoil doesn't hurt at all pushing 225's at 2620fps.


Hello again Bob. I take it that your barrel has the 1:12 twist then?
From what I can gather there is not much difference between having the
1:12 compared to the 1:14 twist rate other than the lighter bullets like 180 to 225 might do better at higher velocity with the 1:14 and the 1:12 may favour the 250 grain and heavier.

I have a chance to get a Benchmark barrel at a decent cost so so am interested.
10 May 2016
@ 01:46 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Hi Bryan
I checked my barrel its out of my action, I have the 308 win in it at the moment,for my Daughter to use.

It's 22" overall 1:12 twist.

I only use 225gn & 250gn pills, they shoot one hole groups at 100m.
I tried 180's but couldn't see any use for them. The others do a better job
10 May 2016
@ 02:29 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
I should have explained, at 200fps faster the 180 Speers don't shoot any flatter than the 225's.
They have a lot less energy & are greatly effected by wind.

Bob
11 May 2016
@ 07:28 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Thank you for all this information Bob. I will likely go the route of buying a Remington 783 and a Pacnor pre-fit 358 Winchester barrel, a set of go/nogo gauges, barrel wrench, and get to it as well as the Lapua Palma brass prep and load workups using 225 grain Sierra Game Kings some time before our moose season, which begin here on 15th August each year.
12 May 2016
@ 01:04 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Good on yah Bryan
It amazes me what a difference animal size (resistance) makes. Most Deer Fallow, Rusa Doe's etc you could eat the bullet hole, no bruising at all. But hit a big solid Stag, holly shit, there's heaps of bruising

16 May 2016
@ 08:17 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
hi Bryan and Bob
i have been reading this thread its very interesting i can't as much as my 35/303 still in the works.

as Nathan mention at the start we have been chatting about few things around the 357 mag mainly, its been educational to say the least.
ill let Nathan upload his research before i comment on it.

when i first talked to Nathan about building a 35/303 i had done some trial dummy rounds with 250gr hotcors.
Nathan suggested that i look mainly at the 225gr game kings as the projectile of choice for nz game.
sounds like a few of the 358 projectiles are of stout design so going to the flat nose can help with energy transfer.

me and Warwick have exchange few projectiles so ill have a lot of testing to do once im up and running but it looks like the hornady 200gr ftx's should be my go to projectile with smooth feeding.


16 May 2016
@ 09:34 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Hi Thomas
I've use them all, 225 Game Kings get my vote then 225gn Woodleigh's for very heavy game.
Bob
16 May 2016
@ 09:34 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Hi Thomas
I've use them all, 225 Game Kings get my vote then 225gn Woodleigh's for very heavy game.
Bob
06 Jun 2016
@ 12:02 am (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
The 225 grain PP Woodleighs as well as their 250 grain RN are $64.95 (Canadian $$) each for a box of 50 here at one Canadian dealer. THe Sierra 225 Gamekings per box of 50 are $38.99CDN. Taxes as well as shipping have to be added as well.



06 Jun 2016
@ 03:17 am (GMT)

Bob Mavin

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Hi Bryan
As soon as I worked out what pills I liked I bought a stack of them. Happy I did as they've gone through the roof. Midway USA have a special on 225 game king

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/702161/sierra-gameking-bullets-35-caliber-358-diameter-225-grain-spitzer-boat-tail-box-of-50[b]
06 Jun 2016
@ 01:55 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: The wonderful 35 cal
Thanks Bob.

I wish we could buy direct from US retailers, but that is not allowed, and I have not yet tried to wind my way through any other method of getting them at bulk prices. I will eventually attempt to buy a bulk amount, but until I have the
rifle in my mitts, I will be shopping.
 

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