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Is it me, or is it my rifle

29 Oct 2018
@ 11:56 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Hi guys, just a heads up for a video short. I was fluffing around with some of the video footage for our upcoming LR shooting course material. I was showing my buddy Kelvin one segment and he commented that people need to see this now as it is the proof of what we do. I said I would think about it. Bugger it, he was right.

Special thanks to our client Anthony for being a part of this.

Other footage will be shown later in the full training course. All of this ties back into the book series.

As for the release of the video course, we have had to push the date for this out to next year when I am feeling more able to shoot and teach.

https://youtu.be/ydqYFfn4T14

All the best, Nathan.

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29 Oct 2018
@ 05:47 pm (GMT)

Anthony carter

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Hi Nathan and Steph,

Thanks so much for the time you let me spend with you, it is amaizing how frustrating not knowing if it is you or the rifle or as in this case the loads can be. It had me chaseing my tail for quite some time.

The knowledge that you both shared with me was invaluable and something i will keep working on so long as i am able to be behind a rifle,
Your book set realy did give me such a good foundation and made me realise how much time and effort you have put into the practical series to get it accross in away that we can understand and absorb the information. The proof of this being how little of my shooting you had to change and was realy just the fine tuning of what you had already drilled into me through the books.

I hope that you managed to recover from my visit and get some rest in, you guys realy are amaizing and you are most welcome to join me down south anytime for a break.

Thanks again
Anthony
29 Oct 2018
@ 07:11 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Great video Fosters.
funny i expected to see video on shooting techniques and yet again learnt bit more about the checking fine details when we chasing that extreme accuracy.
looking forwards to watching full video when it comes out.

just want to thank you Anthony not an easy thing to be video'd so thank you for allowing us to all learn along side you.
29 Oct 2018
@ 07:13 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Just a top video.

Excellent to see the form work come together on the bigger calibre. Then realising what the issue was. The way you hold the rifle matters.
30 Oct 2018
@ 03:29 am (GMT)

Joshua Mayfield

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Really, really good stuff. Thanks to Nathan, Steph, and Anthony. It should not go unnoticed that Anthony's beard game, like his shooting, is strong.
30 Oct 2018
@ 06:22 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Oh dear Joshua... thats a terrible thing to say. But just as an aside, if anyone has found a washed up volley ball with a red face painted on it, please contact [email protected]

Seriously, thanks Anthony, as Thomas says, it is not easy being on film and there will always be the smart ass know it alls who will say things like "yeah, I always try different ammo" or such as though they know this stuff inside and out. The ones who make such comments generally don't get it and to them, accuracy is about a bunch of random variables thrown together in the hope that accuracy will happen spontaneously. Truth is, most of us don't understand these finer aspects of precision work and its not until issues are highlighted that we really start to get it.

As I said in the video, the rifle was fine for ordinary hunting. It was fine for 400 yards and adequate for 600. But when we want to go the extra distance and cut out as much error as is humanly possible, thats when we have to lift our game as Anthony was doing. All the bullshit talk is meaningless.
30 Oct 2018
@ 08:19 am (GMT)

Ben Law

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Great vid.
What a tack driver!
30 Oct 2018
@ 11:05 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
You all nailed it guys. It shows what a wonderful tutor and a willing student can achieve working together. Three in one accuracy fantastic. Have the rest of the week off....... you've earned it.
30 Oct 2018
@ 11:17 am (GMT)

Phil Van Zuylen

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Very nice video well explained in layman's terms thank you!
02 Nov 2018
@ 04:23 pm (GMT)

Anthony carter

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Thanks very much for the kind words and i am glad that i could help with this in a small way. The beard seems to keep me protected :-) coz if i shave it off know one will ever know it was me lol.

for far too long i have been a keen reader of this forum and have not contributed to it in any meaningful way, but i think now i will start to type my thoughts as i read the posts and with any luck add to the knowledge on this site. i think there are many people like me who enjoy the site and the information but just don,t take the time to post or are a little worried of coming across stupid, or being flamed for saying something wrong, but from what i can see all the regular posters on this site genuinely enjoy helping people and seeing what others have to say on a vast array of topics and matters. so from now on i will put the keyboard in my mouth and merrily vomit out what i can to try and help.

many thanks
Anthony
02 Nov 2018
@ 05:52 pm (GMT)

Shawn Bevins

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Nice Video.. THanks for sharing Nathan. Nice work Andrew.
02 Nov 2018
@ 09:09 pm (GMT)

Iain

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Ahh memories.

I bought a fair pile of a particular factory load many years ago. The pile was used in four different rifles. Ammo and rifles were used from 25 to maybe 100 yards, and to the best of my recollection, no groups were ever shot - just sight in and go.
The empty brass came to me for future reloading and was simply put away.
Ammo functioned and ejected perfectly in all four rifles - until - one user had some sort of tangle up with bolt manipulation and I got to look at it. The spent primer was floating around in the action, and the relevant case did, indeed, have an empty primer pocket.
No gas cutting on the bolt face, and no sign of leakage around the primer, but the pressure was so high, the primer just fell out when the bolt was pulled back. No extraction issues were reported.
So back I go to the pile of fired brass and start checking it. Approx half of the fired primers were obviously much more flattened than the others. This was obvious to the naked eye and even more so when viewed under magnification.
Did the trick reported here and tried to push a projectile into the neck of a fired case. No go. No way no go - would have needed to use tools to get it in. I didn't do this with all the cases, but 100% of those I checked were no go.
Got out the calipers and started measuring case length. All the ones with super flat primers were overlength and must have been when originally loaded by the factory. The cases that weren't overlength were at max length, or very close to.
The loads were factory crimped into a cannelure, providing a nice little taper to allow the overlength cases to chamber easily in four different rifles, but obviously when fired, and the full diameter of the bullet forced the crimped overlength to expand, there was no where to go.
We were fortunate not have serious problems, and I no longer regard factory ammo as necessarily being of high quality, regardless of headstamp.
08 Nov 2018
@ 06:21 pm (GMT)

Simon Crowther

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
This is interesting. The brass has trouble letting go of the projectile!

I always crimp by hand loads, just because I have a Lee crimping die.

I'm just wondering and I hope you don't mind me asking: should I be crimping my cartridges, is it a good idea?

I think I'll have to buy these books. I did have a look at some, but they were so well read and thumbed, they were like old porno mags. I think I could do with a pristine set of my own.
08 Nov 2018
@ 08:24 pm (GMT)

Jon Short

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
I think I'll have to buy these books. I did have a look at some, but they were so well read and thumbed, they were like old porno mags. I think I could do with a pristine set of my own.
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Classic! The your books like most of ours too will end out looking like old porno mags...
09 Nov 2018
@ 07:05 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: Is it me, or is it my rifle
Hi Simon, a good question.

Crimping is fine, the case mouth will expand provided the chamber is larger than the case - thats the key.

In the rifle on the vid, the case had no where to go. The case was at chamber diameter.

But just to add a fly to the ointment, if you apply a heavy crimp, the case mouth may appear tight after firing. But you can quickly determine this as the cause by continuing to push a projectile into the fired case and noting how the neck is fine and that the tight spot is only at the crimp. you'll sometimes see this on the likes of Winchester factory ammo after firing.
 

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