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.22 LR Remington 597

12 Feb 2019
@ 07:44 pm (GMT)

mark suckling

Hi Guys,
Not really the appropriate forum for this but I know there is a wealth of experience here.

I've had a number of .22LR over the years, I'm often disappointed with the accuracy and move them on. The best I had was a savage rascal for my son but he out grew that one.

I have a tidy heavy barreled Remington 597 semi auto in a Boyd type laminate stock. The accuracy is pretty ordinary with this one too. I've recrowned it and mock bedded it with auto filler receiver only, this eliminates the bad flyers but still only shooting an inch or so at 25 yards. I don't want to see this one through!

I was going to try FL bed the thing and the Knox, my concern is the barrel is not threaded into the action it has a bracket and screw that holds it in place. Would it be ok to bed the Knox still. Should I relieve around the bracket and screw perhaps with plasticine?

Cheers
Mark

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12 Feb 2019
@ 07:45 pm (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Meant to say I want to see this one through.
12 Feb 2019
@ 09:57 pm (GMT)

Ben Law

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
how did you do the recrown mark?
12 Feb 2019
@ 10:16 pm (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Hi Ben,
It had a crossed thread for suppressor when I got it. so i got gunsmith to cut thread off and recrown it, hoping that might help things, it didn't.

Cheers
13 Feb 2019
@ 01:56 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Hey Mark. Strip it down and clean it out. Give the barrel a brush out and remove any lead and carbon from the rifling. Get it back to shiny steel and try it again. Try it with different brands of ammo supersonic and subs. See what it tells you. It's the easiest thing to do first before you invest any more time into it. How old is it and what return spring is in it. If it's done lots of work with a suppressor on make sure that the bolt face and breach aren't full of powder residue and gunk. Brush n scrub it out with break clean blow out with compressed air and lube with graphite powder or light gun oil. See how it goes. Keep us posted with the results. Cheers mate

13 Feb 2019
@ 06:14 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
hi mark
i just had a look at the action design, wow hmm that's a tough one if you search this website i type in 10/22 you'll see an old post on how nathan did a ruger 10/22.
a lot of these 22's use the rear of the action to recoil against, its kinder funny as the 22's with actual recoil lugs have a pretty good rep for accuracy, marlin, cz etc.
may not help if your in usa but i have been having success with tuning my 10/22 using a dpt suppressor i add or take away baffles depending on which ammo i use.
i have one of those limbsaver tuners to try but just can't seem to find the time to get to the range at the moment.
cheers
13 Feb 2019
@ 07:54 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Hi Mark, yes the trouble with not being able to perform load development with a .22LR.

One aspect of this that Grant at True-Flite likes to re-iterate, is that the .22LR is best served when the projectiles are forced into the rifling (no freebore) when the cartridge is chambered. In other words, the accuracy potential of these slow moving lead projectiles can be enhanced via this slow manual start, after which, the cartridge can be ignited and the projectile does not have to suffer any further upsets beyond sudden acceleration.

It also helps a great deal if the muzzle is tighter than the chamber end of the rifle.

As you can see, both of these factors pertain to forming and maintaining control of a soft slug.

The harmonic effect of a .22 is by itself somewhat limited but evident. To put this into perspective, a Chinese mig welded mild steel bolt action rifle may shoot very well. On the other hand, a U.S built semi auto may shoot poorly due to the recoil forces of the blow back mechanism which accentuate the harmonic effect. Or in the case of the 10/22, the barrel may actually loose within housing (knox bedding can help alleviate this). Single screw action designs can also create a great deal of action movement within the stock.

In summary, the load itself may have some harmonic effect (hence Thomas achieving success with baffles) but there may also be other harmonic factors at play. The stiffness and temper of the steel may not be as important as the design of the rifle and overall tolerances. The action and barrrel can be bedded to overcome some problems, but the chamber and barrel dimensions are also critical as a means to encourage accuracy in lieu of being able to manipulate loads.
13 Feb 2019
@ 10:11 am (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Thank you, Warwick, Thomas and Nathan. So many factors to consider, I have tried various ammo, CCI mini mag my pick, I've cleaned the hell out of it and that mad it worse until I got another 50 rounds or so down it.

Not sure how much work it's done before I got it but the charge/bolt handle has a bit of slack. Bolt return springs seem to function well.
Thanks again for all your input,

I think I'll try another motor body bed and include the fist inch of the barrel to see what happens before spending a lot of time and effort on a proper bedding job.

Perhaps yet another .22!

13 Feb 2019
@ 12:13 pm (GMT)

bryan long

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
I've only ever had, same as my friends CZ .22's and always expected and got single ragged holes at 50 yards with sub sonics.

I've messed about with Ruger 10-22 but always saw them as a gun to have fun with but not to expect much from
13 Feb 2019
@ 01:09 pm (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Id be happy with an inch at 50, see how goes bedding. Might have to look at a cz for my boy to replace the rascal!
13 Feb 2019
@ 03:46 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Well it seems like you've tried the easy stuff. Do you need a semi auto 22. Try a Browning BL 22 or Miroku ML 22 Same same....

https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bl-22.html

https://www.gunmart.net/guns-for-sale/54352/MIROKU+ML-22+RIFLE.html

They have. .......
Great magazine capacity.
15 rounds of Long Rifle
22 " " Shorts
Quick Reloading from the shoulder With a flick of your fingers. Without sight loss of the target. And my one "Miroku" had pinpoint accuracy . Could write my name bullet holes touching at 50yrds......
The only thing some moan about is the tube magazine and a thick silencer has to be removed to reload. Mine had a thin steel Parker hale silencer. The tip of the tube mag had been filed and reblued allowing reloading without removing. Might be an option for you. Watch this video. With a good scope you won't want to stop shooting it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPOBfuBefcSA&ved=0ahUKEwim3pOl1rfgAhWVfisKHfgyBYcQo7QBCCgwBg&usg=AOvVaw2iEsp_Wet9olMSROvhc720

13 Feb 2019
@ 04:04 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Oops meant to say that you get a fast shooter with a locked bolt in a short throw leaver gun.
13 Feb 2019
@ 04:07 pm (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Thanks Warwick, no don't really need the auto, it was appealing since my mate has one which shoots well and one came up for decent price.

I'll take a look at those browning/miroku.

Cheers,
Mark
13 Feb 2019
@ 08:56 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
just for warwick reply the henry's 22 levers have a good rep.

Mark i have been using cci suppressor rounds lately i can't rate them enough, they kill really well.

the 22lr is an odd design in theory it shouldn't be as popular as it is, its heeled projectile (only centrefire i can think of that a heeled design is 310 cadet) and no freebore once again only one that comes to mind is the 22 hornet.

what's interesting is how tight the saami spec match chamber is compared to the sporting spec one.
must really make a difference but most be hundreds of different reamers around.

i was reading through trueflite website and notice they talked about a stock design for target shooting that clamps the barrel and free floats the action.
i started toying with the idea of doing this on a 10/22 but haven't go there yet.
after playing with the suppressor i got decent enough accuracy for what i use it for.
always catch with 10/22 how much do you uprgade on them as they are lego for men.
mine's pretty much stock standard carbine with volquartsen trigger kit in it.

what i really would like is a mid twin locking lug threaded in barrel with a recoil lug 22lr.
so far only thing i have found is a voodoo v-22 but they are one heck of an investment.

14 Feb 2019
@ 10:40 am (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Cheers Thomas, I haven't tried those CCIs,

That's interesting about the barrel clamping, I'll definitely have a play with bedding start of the barrel to see what happens.


Mark
08 Nov 2019
@ 09:46 am (GMT)

mark suckling

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
I did bed the Knox of the 597 and that did enhance the accuracy, shooting an inch at 50 m which I'm happy with, my boy shot a couple hares with it the other day at 110yards, all good!
08 Nov 2019
@ 02:45 pm (GMT)

Scott Struif

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Slightly off-topic, but I logged on here to post the question, Does practice with a .22 help one's centerfire marksmanship? Sounds like rifle accurizing is as much, if not more, of an issue. Still, assuming an accurate .22, does it help?
08 Nov 2019
@ 04:30 pm (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
yes it will as you use same technique and build muscle memory .you also improove trigger control and SHOULD work on sight picture as trigger breaks etc.
08 Nov 2019
@ 07:23 pm (GMT)

Luis Vazquez

Re: .22 LR Remington 597
Quote:
Slightly off-topic, but I logged on here to post the question, Does practice with a .22 help one's centerfire marksmanship? Sounds like rifle accurizing is as much, if not more, of an issue. Still, assuming an accurate .22, does it help?


Hi Scott:

Yes it does, I like to set up my 22's like my High Power rifle. I shoot both Smallbore and High Power Silhouette competition and my 22's are set up at a similar weight, trigger pull, scope, etc, both Precision and Hunter rifles.

The 22 is great for learning the follow through process meaning you can call your shots and also see your hits by staying on target when you fire. Its easy on a rest but off hand takes practice but definitely doable.

On a high power rifle it will be hard to see your hits but it depends on the set up you have, some bench reat shooters using smaller cartridges can do this but not realistic on larger cartridges. But the most important part is to be able to call your shots precisely.

And 22 ammo is way way cheaper.

Hope this helps and beat regards

Luis


 

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