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second lot of firearm restrictions

22 Jul 2019
@ 08:32 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

hi guys
second lot of firearm restrictions has started, bill not out but we have brief outline
www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/second-tranche-of-gun-law-changes-firearms-register-tighter-licencing.html?fbclid=IwAR1e0nPZxktPMc2k5KOil6E5PmPOZ8iF4PVoTroB3EC2aogm5SYxF5yjJ9Q

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23 Jul 2019
@ 06:13 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: second lot of firearm restrictions
little bit more details
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2019-07/Arms%20Bill%20no%202%20QAs_0.pdf
23 Jul 2019
@ 08:44 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: second lot of firearm restrictions
Reading the NZ Bill of rights. If we make our gun ownership a Minority religion ????
Then Won't Clause's 19 and 20 have to be applied and acknowledged!

If every License holder submits an individual Civil proceeding against the government for making us criminals after 20th December 2019 it will add 250,000 extra legal cases into the system that the government will have to process? According to Clause 27 #3

Given time and with great organization, commitment and a united response.
Things could be different! Shouldn't "they" have to prove that each legally licensed licensee is unfit and not proper to posses Banned Weapons on an individual per License case review??? Including every member of NZ Defense and Police forces because...... Using or possessing a firearm without either being licensed or under the immediate supervision of the holder of a
firearms license. Shouldn't this apply to "Any, All and Every NZ citizen" Without any legal or governmental Privilege? No License No Gun!!!!


New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990


Non-discrimination and minority rights
19Freedom from discrimination

(1)Everyone has the right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of discrimination in the Human Rights Act 1993.

(2)Measures taken in good faith for the purpose of assisting or advancing persons or groups of persons disadvantaged because of discrimination that is unlawful by virtue of Part 2 of the Human Rights Act 1993 do not constitute discrimination.

Section 19: substituted, on 1 February 1994, by section 145 of the Human Rights Act 1993 (1993 No 82).

20Rights of minorities

A person who belongs to an ethnic, religious, or linguistic minority in New Zealand shall not be denied the right, in community with other members of that minority, to enjoy the culture, to profess and practise the religion, or to use the language, of that minority.


27Right to justice

(1)Every person has the right to the observance of the principles of natural justice by any tribunal or other public authority which has the power to make a determination in respect of that person's rights, obligations, or interests protected or recognised by law.

(2)Every person whose rights, obligations, or interests protected or recognised by law have been affected by a determination of any tribunal or other public authority has the right to apply, in accordance with law, for judicial review of that determination.

(3)Every person has the right to bring civil proceedings against, and to defend civil proceedings brought by, the Crown, and to have those proceedings heard, according to law, in the same way as civil proceedings between individuals.
23 Jul 2019
@ 08:46 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: second lot of firearm restrictions
Sorry Here's the Bill.....

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/whole.html#DLM225529
25 Jul 2019
@ 06:30 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: second lot of firearm restrictions
more out today
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/swc-min-for-proactive-release-25-7-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR15exNPgV4w01N3JNQXk0IMGK4IGy6hbJRa-fQbvq10KAaC58IGpBKVXIc

also this has come out about first law change

Several members of ASRA and NZSRA met with Brett Hudson, National Police Spokesperson, for over 3 hours on Sunday.
Brett took time away from a family visit to Auckland to discuss Firearms issues with us and we appreciate this.
In summary we took away these points.
⁃ National make no apology for voting with Labour on the first changes to the act, they tried to soften it but had little effect.
⁃ Even if National have full power in the future they are unlikely make any significant change to the act
⁃ Put pressure on Ron Mark, he is the key to make any useful changes to the second round
⁃ Don't wait too long before handing in, it's unlikely the prices will change and the Police will have difficulty asking for more money
⁃ Get a good PR person to front the media
⁃ National may look into exemptions for international sport shooters, details were vague, restrictions would likely be so severe as to make it almost unworkable. Much like the Pest Control exemption is now. Again NZ 1st is the key to any change during this term of government
⁃ The next lot of changes are likely to be again referred to the Finance and Expenditure Committee because that is where the Government have a numerical advantage of two bodies, meaning that they can push anything through with only a pretense of a democratic process
⁃ As we already knew, police HQ are indeed essentially drafting the law. They knocked on Cindy's door with a wish list, within 48 hours of the shooting in ChCh
⁃ When making submissions to parliament. Brett said it wasn’t necessarily a numbers game. He said the content and well-presented arguments/facts do count. As that forms the basis of commentary in the information the select committee recieve
⁃ The Orders in Council, Sec. 74A and 74B of the Arms Act 1983 are truly undemocratic, we need to push for these to be rescinded. Both in submissions to changes to the Arms Act and pushing our local MPs to change.

ill keep updating the best i can, but best thing we can do is support colfo at the moment.
26 Jul 2019
@ 07:44 pm (GMT)

Jon Short

Re: second lot of firearm restrictions
Thanks Thomas.

Cheers

Jon
 

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