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update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban

20 Jun 2019
@ 06:20 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

hi guys details on buy back (can't believed its called that since they never owned them)

its bad really bad, not only is the compensation below market value in my opinion but also if you don't have a firearm licence there's no money so there's no incentive for anyone to hand in black market guns.
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/prohibited-firearms_-and-parts-buy-back-price-list.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2KzrS-lrVHfmkD1SpoVmZ3y9xZ1FkPq-8AUKCpkCRlDBr8jdWe-fDRBFo

and the sneaky bit that got added in today while no one was looking by order council, for most people it's no issue but where will it stop be large caliber ban in future, maybe lead ban to who know's
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0137/latest/whole.html#LMS214867

police association is wanting to ban reloading and put serious tight limits on amount of ammo you can own at one time.

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21 Jun 2019
@ 05:09 pm (GMT)

John D. Hays - New Mexico

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban

Something to keep in mind about ammunition . . .

You may have all the shot and powder stocked up,
but it is the primers that are the easiest component to limit and ban.

No more primers, no more boom-boom.
22 Jun 2019
@ 12:16 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
Just make your own!

Or Join the New Zealand Police force or the NZ Army and become a paid State Sanctioned citizen killer? You'll have high capacity Magazines thermal vision scopes and how to kill people training at the NZ SAS Battle Training Facility in Papakura...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11619140

The only downside "being" that you can only kill the people that your leaders don't like and ask/tell/order or hire you out to a high paying allied country for you too kill their enemies! The governments got to make some money to pay for your MSSA and ammo.......
The Upsides are that you wont go to jail, Work will buy your guns and ammo for you and you get to shoot your fellow citizens wearing black clothes and a face mask!

22 Jun 2019
@ 07:29 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
Warwick I like to actually shoot firearms so couldn't join the police.

Another update man its getting hard to keep up with everything.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0136/latest/LMS214698.html?fbclid=IwAR1m5MRWJIIEbhap6_TZ-vzWflUX0pRcuxyi1ralqKdDTDml2d94R1DiTTk
25 Jun 2019
@ 06:03 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
dates for collection events have be released.
people are talking about turning up and doing a silent protest.

my favourite idea so far comes from England where they are banning lever release rifles, which is to paint them all pink with unicorns on them before you hand them in.
be very hard for the media to show how scary these rifles are if they are all pink.

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms-law-prohibited-firearms/firearms-changes-faqs

from the police website

Why prohibit semi-automatics specifically?

Semi-automatics have the ability to cause harm in a fast and highly destructive way, and from a distance. The greater the mix of calibre, capacity, and capability, the less the survivability of the injury.
25 Jun 2019
@ 06:25 pm (GMT)

Simon Crowther

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
You should all read this article from Kiwi Gun Blog, this buyback is shaping up to be a disaster.

From one of the experts involved in the KPMG pricing scheme.

https://www.facebook.com/kiwigunblog/posts/2741806835833724?__tn__=K-R

What a bloody farce!
01 Jul 2019
@ 05:23 pm (GMT)

Jon Short

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
Well, it is of course is no surprise... Jacinda promised that she would not increase taxes too... guess what happened with fuel prices today?!?

I think it is wise for owners of semi autos to hold off handing them back as long as you can (within the legislation of course), regardless of these handover events, so that those working on this on your behalf have time to hopefully gain a fairer outcome.

You have a time frame that you must hand in by, so use it.

Whats is COLFO suggesting semi auto owners do?

01 Jul 2019
@ 06:31 pm (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
i would hold off handing anything in or even registering for it.
sounds like the police are going to run the media through mock hand in on the 4th (ironic being independence day) no ones really sure why?
i'm hoping the events have no one turns up to them.

Nicholas Taylor/colfo has released more details on your rights.
if anyone has had issues i would be making ipca complaints and emailing colfo, David Seymour and Chris Bishop about your story

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N9EHDdX9rjwrW0U97wsdU8yG1WeL9Sox/view?fbclid=IwAR07l9LArDPz2lfpDhnC2UrS44w6YkgqqEi2whWeAjLI2-T_GhmuUtxXTYU

Trying to find out directly from Stuart Nash if shotguns have to be modified so they can't take mag extension in the future.
think ill be waiting awhile for a reply.

10 Jul 2019
@ 06:27 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
mayor of christchurch calls for a ban on expanding bullets?

once again proving emotions and logic doesn't go together, everyone seems to forget if the shooter hadn't been able to get a firearm legally things would of been different, doesn't matter type of firearm, type of ammo, magazine capacity etc if he hadn't got a firearm licence all of this would of been different.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114102387/christchurch-mayor-calls-for-ban-on-expanding-bullets-designed-to-do-great-damage?fbclid=IwAR3PcU0U12xRrVgOfmvAAQ8Lmk-ronxVAgeUSdPPA8W-kVjMjIcZ8MkvcIs

just a note everything from sling studs to scopes now need import permit, talking to boyd stocks importer, he was saying his import permits have gone from a week turn around to 3 weeks at present and its only going to get worse.

couple other fun articles to come out this week

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114091538/guns-thought-to-be-stolen-from-police-station-found-in-audit?fbclid=IwAR0z2TLypnJH3ayexFqIOHQOxsjqZPBoCl1G-d49T00ZtSf1XmuRSOhsRcI

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114074824/multiple-failings-by-auckland-police-in-disappearance-of-nine-firearms?fbclid=IwAR3FnATW2fqlL8fK74vm06XwDLAqpQx6Zs72wKpL6WN2nY12V73rfWH9UYE

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113645043/storage-and-transport-unclear-as-banned-semiautomatics-head-to-the-shredder?rm=a&fbclid=IwAR0ju7mRIAjyDC7ZtkYVWyXTk1e5vemxGvh9gVFTK89gvjUV2FNJF0SIjxw
11 Jul 2019
@ 01:03 pm (GMT)

Jon Short

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
Hi Thomas & Co, see my new post re: COLFO's fair & reasonable campaign. Please support their work.


Cheers,

Jon
17 Aug 2019
@ 06:00 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
just bit more on the ammo ban thats looking like they are trying to include copper washed steel core ammo.
lot of the russian stuff in other words

NZSRA has approached Police for clarification on prohibited ammunition. Police have advised that any ammunition with a Steel Core is prohibited. We do not know if it is prohibited as Armor Piercing or Enhanced Penetration, because technically it is neither. Police have advised that no buyback will be offered for such ammunition. The reason is as follows:

Why is ammunition not included in the buy-back?
The Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines and Parts) Amendment Regulations 2019 provide exemptions for those who have legitimate purpose for the continued possession of these types of ammunition. In the absence of any other legitimate use compensation is deemed unnecessary.

So essentially because a small group of Cartridge Collectors can own prohibited ammunition the Govt wont buy it back. From an NZSRA perspective the buyers (Cartridge collectors) would fill a thimble while the Sellers would fill an Olympic sized swimming pool. There is no market to sell our ammo!

The NZSRA exec will continue to push for a fair and reasonable approach here but as always please write to your Minister and politely complain about how unfair this is

this is a oia request done by someone else but needs to be shared
21 Aug 2019
@ 03:07 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: update on buyback and sneaky ammo ban
Heres an update from COLFO

https://www.fairandreasonable.co.nz/advice


Handing over your property at collection events

If you own what are now Prohibited Firearms, Magazines or Parts, you need to hand them in at some point before the end of the amnesty on 20 December.

The collection events run by police are currently the method of handing in your firearms but will not be the only one.

Many licensed owners say the collection events are an unpleasant experience – due to the heavy presence of armed police, intense participant management, and interrogation of some firearm owners (such as those handing in parts and magazines).

It is our recommendation that if you are determined to hand back your firearm at a Police collection event, you;

take only your firearm/s, nothing else, as attached accessories such as scopes do not add value to the firearm buyback. Hand in accessories separately.
take in evidence of purchase.
mentally prepare yourself for rigorous scrutiny, and if you believe treatment is unfair, take notes and names of police officers involved.

Below are some pointers to help;

Assessing if your firearms are banned

Check through your firearms and accessories. Make a list of everything that is now prohibited, recording details of make, model, serial number and calibre. Use the Police advice for guidance. https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms-law-prohibited-firearms
Now decide whether you wish to apply for a P or C endorsement to retain any of the items.
Check whether the prohibited firearm you have may be modified in order to be compliant with the new laws. The Government will pay up to $300 for one of their (yet to be advised) approved gunsmiths to make the alternations.
Take good photographs in case there is a later dispute over condition and therefore pricing.
Check that your firearm is on the Police pricing list. If it is not, or it is an unusual or modified piece, you will have to get it independently valued by assessors yet to be appointed by Police. Hold on to these firearms and secure them as usual until approved valuers are announced.

Collection events

Register using the notification form on the Police website. Apparently, this will speed up the process when you get there.
Remove all accessories from your firearm. eg scopes, slings, suppressors and magazine.
Prohibited accessories unique to the firearm, including the magazine, are valued and compensated separately and do not improve the surrender value of the firearm itself.
Accessories that can be used on other non-prohibited firearms are not prohibited and not being compensated. The Police are strictly interpreting this, so most accessories are not covered.
Magazines above 10 round capacity (above 5 rounds for shotguns) are prohibited and being compensated. Some ammunition has now been prohibited but is not being compensated. Lesser capacity magazines for a firearm that is now prohibited are compensated for at a lower value.
Prohibited spare parts are being compensated. Please return them along with the firearm.
Clean your firearms, parts and dedicated accessories. They must be complete, function correctly and be in pristine condition to attract the “new/near new” value. Even 100-year-old firearms can attract top value if well maintained and preserved.
At the end of the hand in process you will be given an itemised receipt with the compensation values. You should receive payment to your designated bank account within 10 working days. If there are any issues with payment please get in touch with us – [email protected] with a scanned copy of your hand-in receipt.

Collection should be simple, but we have received reports that the process has been stressful. If you find yourself in a situation where you feel you are being bullied or harassed please write to us with your story – [email protected] . It is important that you detail the name and number of the Police officer attending upon you, or the details of the contracted civilian. That you outline to us your concerns at what happened at the event, give us the date, venue and time it occurred. We will keep your details confidential.
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