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is it time to freak out?

17 Mar 2016
@ 12:44 am (GMT)

Sebastian Shand

well it looks like us poor nz gun owners are about to catch some heat for doing nothing once again.
what are my fellow nzers thoughts on the latest media up rising against us psychopathic legal law abiding gun owners with our scary (military) style (assault) weapons with 300round self loading fully auto magazine clips that can be transformed from semi to full auto at the drop of a hat.


17 Mar 2016
@ 01:48 am (GMT)

Nathan Foster

Re: is it time to freak out?
Perhaps this ship has already sailed, there are just too many in circulation now. They are used by our military (soon to be in greater numbers), government cullers, police and now civilians. In fact the only people deliberately shot with AR's in NZ have been those used by police on the job. Of the police I have talked to over the last couple of years, they also feel that this ship has truly sailed.

Truth is though, if the AR was banned on the A Cat license and retained only on the C and E and D endorsements, many folk would switch to more potent hunting rigs and it would be better for the animals.

But it could also be said that it would be better to have someone go postal with an AR than go off the rails with a powerful and accurate bolt action. But then you have to know about guns to understand such things.

It is such a shame that there is an element of society which greatly fears its neighbor regardless of any immediate threat. If such people spent a small portion of their day being grateful for what they have, grateful for all the people who have touched their lives and have yet to touch their lives, then they might instead look for and be expectant of potential friends rather than hidden enemies. They would also train themselves to feel a sense of love towards others. Its really not such a hard thing to do.

This world is teaming with people who want to make friends, who want to be included in life and have so much to offer each other.

Some say that hatred is the opposite of love. Yet if we inspect this more closely, we find that hatred is based on confusion in the absence of love, it is often simply a fear of its absence, of not being heard or included, of being outside of love and acceptance. Hatred therefore becomes an element of love and is not its opposite. This is very difficult for many people to understand but again, close investigation reveals the answers. If we cannot understand this fundamental truth which is in itself a most simplistic rational, it is no wonder that people are so quick to blame the gun and not look for the causes of suffering within people who commit such acts.

Take a police domestic call out for example- think of the scenario for yourself.

There is so much about ourselves that we do not understand. We are such an odd creature, like plants reaching for light. We can commit both wonderful and horrendous acts yet each can be based on an identical motivation.

It certainly makes it tough to be compassionate when others are trying to control our decisions. The modern choice of words is "Its for your own safety" or "for everyones safety".

Controlling another person to make us feel safe. This is the new thing. It seems people are more afraid than ever before. Have we entered a strange phase where we have de-evolved emotionally in favor of science and technology as our new religion?

Can this ever work? Can we control anti gunners to make ourselves feel safe? No, of course not. But we can utilize our hunting groups to make a stand and protect what we hold dear. It just depends on how badly we want it.

Regardless of whatever laws are put in place. Nobody can take your happiness away from you. You always get to choose. Nobody can make you feel a certain way. Just remember that and be true to who you are.

17 Mar 2016
@ 05:40 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
Awesome Nathan. I will vote for you in the next election.!

Sebastian. Please don't freak out. We will be best served by setting a good example as responsible law abiding gun owners. Having the correct safes keeping firearms locked up and bolts ammunition and magazines stored separately and locked in separate compartments. Don't leave them in vehicles or disable n lock them to the chassis if you must?
Applying for permits and permission to hunt on private and public land.
If you carefully read the arms code and the existing law's. They're already very sensible and provide for safe keeping and ownership of guns.
The laws only work if they're followed and abided by? Unlawful people as the word implies are just that! "Unlawful ". No amount of laws will force them to comply?
I taught my daughter the basic safe firearms procedures and a few more as well. The first one is don't tell anyone that I have them. " Loose lips sink ships". The other was that its not the gun to be scared of but the person holding it! Hence why she didn't " freak out" when the shop she worked at after school was held up. She saw the offender coming in the security cameras and slipped out the back before he saw her and alerted the boss. It was a very scary experience for all involved but no one was harmed and the idiots inside for 7 years.
As long as we keep clear heads and the authorities enquiry is focused on how these unlawful citizens obtain guns its a good thing. If we the law abiding owners get blamed for the leak then well have every right to debate and argue the point.
There's an Unlimited number of ways to illegally obtain weapons! A sailor can drop off a bag on a float off the coast for a drug dealer to collect...... any things doable look at the SAS's moto "who dares wins" ?
Knifes hang in the supermarket where anyone could grab one and attack the tellers or public in the shops? Yet the spray paints locked up next to the unlocked axes and hammers? How liberal a society do you want to live in?
How far do we go.? I'm not sure that having an armed group of officers arrive at my house to ask about a traffic jam incident that I was a witness too, because the computer says that I'm a legitimate law abiding licensed firearms owner? Would warm my reception? Of course they would find everything locked up and in compliance. Unless I was busy reloading and measuring the bullet jump to the lands! How would that scenario work out? Thrown to the floor Handcuffs and a knee in between the shoulder blades?
We all have to step back a few steps and look at the whole issue and decide what kind of society we would like to be a part of? Heavy handed aggressive treatment of lawful citizens won't win the debate. Meaningful sincere honest discussion of the issues is what's needed?
My answer to the question. What do you need a gun for? To protect you from tyranny and oppression gets some strange looks! Well tell them that you like to eat meat that you have collected and all hell rains down! You just can't win? Unless you say nothing and keep everything locked away. Its possible that the authorities may turn this into a gun grab! I hope not but when you look at the world today it's not clear what's going to happen next?
Nathan will be here with tomorrows Wether forecast. Wool showers and daggstorms on the horizon .
17 Mar 2016
@ 08:54 am (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: is it time to freak out?
you are allowed to drive a holden commadore or a XR8 Falcon but from now on you are only allowed to have 13" wheels on it and a boot spoiler or scoop lower than halfway down radiator will require separate garaging and licencing. if you hook up a trailer to the rear that will be another licence and you will need an alarmed safe to store it in

you can continue to play your round of golf but anything bigger than a 5 iron is no longer allowed and you must store your clubs and balls separately

the ONE SINGLE thing that gives a glimmer of hope is that "crusher Collins' was heard to say....we looking into how these guns got into hands of criminals.....
not they are bad
not we are naughty
not lets lock them up tighter

but how did they get there

17 Mar 2016
@ 10:49 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
Yes I heard it say that too.!
I also heard that no matter what it takes the 29 miner's in Pike river would be recovered? I'm not giving up on hoping that you're right though Mike. Can comin cents be "Trumped"(bad pun) by common sense? Only time will tell? I guess it comes down to how much votes can be won from using gun fear as a political football? Divide and rule needs a division of parties to be effective! Watch and see what happens?
18 Mar 2016
@ 01:57 pm (GMT)

Bryan Webster

Re: is it time to freak out?
I would focus on the issue that once the public/media wagon is rolling, the main issue for us is that few if any politicians have the nerve to tell them to go elsewhere if they do not like hunting/hunters and legitimate firearms ownership.

The only thing I have observed is that it is they who must learn the risk of offending a large number of their voters, and the only way you can bring that to fruition is to have as many individual voters as possible meet in person with them and let them know that your vote is going to go elsewhere fast if they simply want to be seen to be 'doing something' or 'doing the right thing' in the public eye as most are want to do at times like that.
18 Mar 2016
@ 09:35 pm (GMT)

Martin Taylor

Re: is it time to freak out?
I thought John frig wit Howard's laws would get laughed away when l marched in Melbourne against them along with over 100,000 other law abiding hunters/shooters all those years ago!

I now see people having permits to acquire knocked back due to "ballistic profile" & mass hysteria from the media over lever action shotguns.

Work together, be sensible, and as already said keep your gear and using of safe!

And as we are doing right to hold into the little we I have left, focus on the facts ie, illegal handguns & unlicensed criminals which make up the bulk of our gun related crime by 90% or more (government facts from their own data, not an idea).

Good luck !
18 Mar 2016
@ 10:24 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
Voting and political system is a game of numbers and percentages? For example.... How many people eat milk with their breakfast ? How many people eat trim milk with their breakfast? If you removed all milk you risk upsetting all the milk user's if you remove only the trim milk only those users miss out. how many will complain?
Just as a farmer carefully monitors his stock numbers looking for disease and marks them for remove infected animals or dosing the flocks drinking water, to control parasitic growths.
Political parties can use social media statistical analysis of members to see the difference in popularity of issues? The more emotional and fear inciting the issue is the better. This is what the LIKE tab button is for. Every time you like a posted comment or pictures. You're telling the world what's important to you and somewhere in a digital cloud your droplets of likes looks hates and crooks are marked and drafted into pens of groups classified and noted so that at the press of a button everything you have viewed is available for the watchers to sift and sort into piles of subjects hobbies tastes and kinks.
Am I paranoid or have I just joined the dots and realized that the "Matrix" is already established and growing like the red weed in "THE WAR OF THE WORLDS"

“No-one would have believed, in the last years of the century, that human affairs were being watched from the timeless worlds of digital space. No-one could have dreamed that we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. Most men even considered the possibility of life from other worlds?. And yet, across the gulf of digitalization , minds immeasurably fearful and superiorly scarier than ours regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely, they drew their plans against us…”

Changed by me Adapted from the book "War of the world's " by Jeff Wayne

I stand back from the crowd and watch to see who's watching and I ponder as to the intentions of their gaze?
#LIKE..............#RED PILL.........#BLUE PILL
20 Mar 2016
@ 04:17 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: is it time to freak out?
the one thing we have in this country compared to other country is a good attitude when it comes to firearms.
firearms are for hunting or sport not self defense or some other wacky idea here in nz.
as long as we don't get some overseas expert come in and try to make claims they can sort out illegal firearms we will be alright, most kiwi's even politicians know a hunter and understand firearms are not this crazy bad death machines.

one issue we have thou is when someone gets pushed they push back, when you have crazy anti gun nutters you seem to end up with some crazy pro guns nutters, where as most of us lie in the middle of the spectrum.
we just want to work hard, enjoy our family and go hunting when ever we can.

its a fine line to when it comes to punishment of illegal firearms, we could say anyone caught with a firearm illegally will do time but then we'll have more people shooting at cops to try and get away there really is know simple solution and restricting law abiding citizens is not the answer.

securing firearms are the best way to prevent criminals getting them but we don't even have a minimum standard on safes like we do most other items.
it just have to be of stout construction, this is the one thing i think needs changing.

this whole idea of people needing a firearm to protect themselves is crazy who the hell are you pissing off that you need a gun.
most home invasions the person knows there attacker.

this is the 2nd page of my local paper, the dairy is only about a 1km away train station about 3km away.
i'm not worried at all, but these things will happen more as society becomes more self centered and politicians loose touch with the people it meant to represent
02 Apr 2016
@ 10:28 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
I was at Mitre 10 last weekend getting a lock and some parts for my second safe and when asked by staff member what's it for after telling him. He said I was the 8th person that day getting safe locks specifically G safes.
03 Apr 2016
@ 12:43 am (GMT)

Thomas Kitchen

Re: is it time to freak out?
its good to hear people a securing them properly as im sure unsecured firearms are how most criminals get there hands on them, i brought another 2nd hand gun safe this week as mine was bit over loaded, it appears some silly bugger has few 303's taking up space ha ha.
01 Nov 2016
@ 06:49 pm (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
Just reread this post. I have rifle , bolt , magazine and ammunition locked away in separate safes in different locations. Please have a look at your firearm security system. It's not hard to make it time consuming and difficult for thief's? You can also get a dialler (cell phone in a box) and connect it to a door switch in the safe and program it to call or text your phones whenever the safe door is opened......! Cheaper than exorbitant insurance and long painful claim forms!!!!
01 Nov 2016
@ 08:46 pm (GMT)

Andrew Murray

Re: is it time to freak out?
My advice, wanted or not... Is to get on top of it now.

Perhaps you could institute some sort of system among shooters that include locking of safes, similar to the requirements in Australia. Or other suitable measures that you deem appropriate...

The idea is that if shooters can demonstrate that they are doing their bit to ensure the safety and security of their guns, legislators won't have the grounds to make changes and then any changes can be challenged legally with very strong cases.

This could be organised through shooting clubs/hunting clubs maybe as part of membership?

I'm not sure. The point is once these balls get rolling, then it's hard to stop them. It's much easier to keep the ball from rolling than to stop it once it starts.
02 Nov 2016
@ 09:39 am (GMT)

Warwick Marflitt

Re: is it time to freak out?
FEAR knocked on the door.
Faith opened it..........and.....
There was nothing there.........?
02 Nov 2016
@ 02:07 pm (GMT)

mark korte

Re: is it time to freak out?
I knew what was coming when you described the truck.
02 Nov 2016
@ 02:07 pm (GMT)

mark korte

Re: is it time to freak out?
oops - wrong post! I meant that one for Paul's experience at the range!


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