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308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx

05 Dec 2017
@ 01:59 pm (GMT)

Zach Pinzke

So I can’t decide b/w the 208eldm or the 200eldx in my 308 for deer and an upcoming elk hunt. My concern with the eldm is to much meat destruction and lead fragments. O shoot the 130eldm in my 6.5cm and get a lot of meat destruction. I should not that I am running a 16” barrel and my muzzle velocities are as follows.....208eldm=2320 and 200eldx=2400. What would you recommend for deer and soon elk? And will I get to much meat damage from the eldm?

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06 Dec 2017
@ 02:55 pm (GMT)

Lane Salvato

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Zach,

For elk the 200 grain ELD-X is a good bet. You won't get too much meat damage. You need something like this for an elk. They're no joke.

I don't know about meat damage for deer. Depends a lot on what you consider too much I suppose.
07 Dec 2017
@ 02:46 am (GMT)

Zach Pinzke

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
I don’t like lead contaminating the meat. I have been using the amax/eldm and it leaves a lot of fragments and meat damage.
07 Dec 2017
@ 03:48 pm (GMT)

Lane Salvato

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Zach,

One great solution is the lead free ammunition from DRT. Dynamic Research Technologies. If you put the bullet from a 308 into the elk vitals they won't go far. They do shed weight and do a lot of damage, but it's lead free and mostly powdered metal so if you cut out the bloodshot meat you get rid of any metal. Copper and Tungsten I believe.

If you want something that expands but doesn't shed a huge amount of weight you could go with Nosler Partitions or Swift A-Frames. They're lead but don't end up in lots of small pieces.

I don't like homogeneous copper bullets but they're lead free and are available. I'd really advise reading Nathan's cartridge book before you go that route though. Meat saver shots or long range shots can be a problem with these bullets.
08 Dec 2017
@ 03:35 pm (GMT)

Zach Pinzke

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Even with a solid copper bullet i can get ruined meat? I hate to change anything on either one of my rifles, I like the 130eldm in my creed and the 208eldm in my 308. I’m just really confused on what to do. I appreciate the help and advice.
08 Dec 2017
@ 06:20 pm (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Zach.....Im not known for deplomacy but will try to make it simple without offending...try....
you CANT MAKE AN OMLETE WITHOUT BREAKING EGGS
you want a projectile to cause damage as thats what kills critters.....HOWEVER you can limit that damage by either changing your load OR your point of aim.
Im a real stickler for not wasting meat and use a .270 win which has bad reputation for ruining meat.....I call that pure B.S. it just means more goes in the mince bucket and less in steak or casserole pile.
if you shoot animal in the neck you waste stuff all no matter what you hit it with...well a 40mm bofers gun might be problamatic depending on angle....
if you shoot animal broadside on and take out both sets of front wheels (like you should do) you are going to loose some meat of one or both shoulders but lets be realistic here.......its only going to be casserole/mince meat anyway,its not prime steak material.
Ive shot numerous deer in about the worst possible spot to do so (fair up the jacksee) and have lost asmall amount of meat from the steak pile but it only transphered into mince bucket....if your shot exits through back legs/hindquarters it will make a bit of a mess and you will loose a bit more so its all about picking you shot and angle....... forwards of line of leg preferably taking out knuckle and you will drop animal on the spot and loose next to nothing....... if you have a dog with you they will scoff whats stuffed before you have your pack on your shoulders to leave.

as to what load to use....well stop overthinking it and just pick one and use it. really soft like eld/amax will ruin a bit,partition a bit less,stout cup n core a bit less again and a solid copper jobbie will still cut it up and bruise it.
you have balancing act....too soft fast kill but some meat loss
too hard risk pencil wounding slower kill less meat loss
but what do Iknow the last half dozen deer I ve shot have been single shot kills with 7.62x39mm or the .223...... get in close then closer still,put crosshairs in chest and watchem drop.
hope that helps
09 Dec 2017
@ 09:25 am (GMT)

Lane Salvato

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Zach,

I don't know why you're so confused. If you like the loads that you have then you should just stick with them. They are both great. Mike is right, you're going to damage some meat no matter what you do. I agree with Mike again when he says to stop overthinking it. You cut out what is bloodshot, which will be very little and save the rest. Go practice shooting!
09 Dec 2017
@ 02:42 pm (GMT)

Zach Pinzke

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
I have shot lots of deer with the amax/eldm and I typically don’t save front shoulders anyway. I guess I just wanna make sure the 208eldm will be ok for elk. I know the eldx would probably be better but all my load workup and turrets are designed for the 208. Thanks for the help guys
10 Dec 2017
@ 05:53 pm (GMT)

Mike Davis

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Zach......heres some "homework " for you.
I want you to get a hold of a nosler reloading manual and "find out WHY" the Nosler partition was invented/made in the first place.
what was said about it then still holds true today.
17 Dec 2017
@ 07:35 am (GMT)

Zach Pinzke

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
Please explain why. I don’t have access to that
17 Dec 2017
@ 10:45 am (GMT)

Jonathan Kitterman

Re: 308 and 208eldm vs 200eldx
You can look up some history on the Nosler website but I believe he is saying to use a bullet appropriate to what you are hunting.
You can also go through the Knowledgebase, cartridge research section on the 308 Winchester. There is also Effective Game Killing. Both links below.

Performance of your current set up may be fine on whitetail deer but fail on elk.



www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/Effective+Game+Killing.html

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.308+Winchester+7.62+NATO.html
 

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