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Cartridges Book Second Edition.
@ 08:40 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterHappy new year everyone!
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@ 08:44 pm (GMT) |
Paul LevermanRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Thanks, and the same to you and your family.And thank you for all the work you do to make us better. |
@ 08:56 pm (GMT) |
Jonathan KittermanRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.I just bought the entire series this past week, can you sum up the changes between the first and second edition? |
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@ 09:19 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Thanks Paul.Hi Jonathan, changes include: Expansion of game killing section. Exploration of 5.56 mil loads as an aside. Inclusion of the ELD-M, ELD-X, DRT and TMK. New cartridges. Removal of the Matrix since its discontinuation. Harsher critique of some combinations and bullet designs. More photos. Previous book 415 pages. New book 550 pages. |
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@ 10:00 pm (GMT) |
Paul LevermanRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Just picked up a copy of the 2nd Edition, and it is a masterpiece. While I haven't finished it yet, it's one of those books you can't put down. The additional bullet and wound sections are worth it by themselves. Well done, Nathan. |
@ 10:38 pm (GMT) |
Bob MavinRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Hey NathanStarted reading your "Cartridges Book Second Edition" Great job mate, Straight to the point, no BS and full of valuable information. It's a cracker!!! Bob |
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@ 03:58 am (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Thanks guys. I have upgraded Jonathans order with an additional ebook along with a few other customers. I will not back date ebook upgrades more than a week. We simply had no idea when we were going to launch or more specifically how the publishing process would unfold this time around.The A-MAX has for the most part lived on as the ELD-M. This remains mostly unchanged. But there are many other new bullets on the market now which we tested and included in this second edition. There are also more bullets just about to enter the market. I have mentioned these in a predictive manner. Those who have both the 1st and 2nd edition will note that the predictions in the first book are realized in the second book. Fortunately I have been riding this pony long enough to know most of its tricks now. Nevertheless, each bullet has to be tested for confirmation and we will have to continue producing new editions. |
@ 04:18 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.hmmmm I best talk to the Mrs so she can get a copy for me, Im sure there will be something in there for this bush hobbit( who missed a running spiker at 25 yards yesterday in the pouring rain) the 5.56 bit will be interesting,hope the 50 grn TTSX gets a wee mention. thanks Boss keep up the great work. |
@ 06:08 pm (GMT) |
Luke LahdenrantaRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Just grabbed a copy of the second edition specifically for the dope on the new eld x and eld m bullets. Just read the 308 and 30-06 write ups so far but they are much expanded, great job Nathan!I'm sure glad Santa brought me some of the 208 gr eld m bullets and a can of Superformance to play with for my 30-06! :) |
@ 08:57 pm (GMT) |
Martin TaylorRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Only just managed to have a quick look over it late yesterday Mate and well done yet again!The new TMK info caught my eye being a long time A-max & V-max user & at times finding need for an alternative due supply issues! I can also see lots of testing for you as new mainline LR (hunting) pills becoming available as manufactures via for market $, which is continuing to see massive growth. Berger is just one that comes to mind now its owned by the Sako/Tikka family group. |
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@ 09:42 pm (GMT) |
Luke LahdenrantaRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Looks like if I can get the 208 gr eld-m in my rifle I will be good to go as an all around bullet for deer/black bear/elk near to far. So picking up the 2nd edition has already saved me a bit of $$, since I was expecting to have to dual load something for close range stuff.Incidentally, now that I have the 208's in my grubby little hands I have done the COAL work and it turns out my older Tikka M695 30-06 has a magazine max length of 89.5mm, with my COAL coming in just under that at 3.48", so looks like I should be good to go to load to optimum bullet/case neck concentricity. Exciting stuff, I've never even thought to load something like this in an ol' 30-06! |
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@ 06:50 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Thanks guys. Glad to see you have got some juice out of this Luke. That''s what we want, something you can really put to use with measurable and meaningful results. |
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@ 11:25 pm (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.arrived and has been read through...... my mind is churning as to which way to go......got the .270 for my tops hunting and as my personal limit is 400 ish as not a rangefinder type of guy....... think the 150 grn partition is still my best bet there???? now the .308 as my bush rifle really makes me scratch head,more so since reading book,my usual hunting area is beech and fern average shot wouldve been 35 yards over last 20 years with chance of preranged clearing at 250-300 depending on which end deer is on....... gut feeling is to not overthink it and just use whatever is cheap and KB says is ok...like a hornady interloct.... am I missing the hammer of thor that will give good/better blood trail/quicker kills???? the 180 grn winchester factory powerpoint load used the other week gave really good result and that level of preformance is ideal in the crappy ferm of this area.... any thoguhts appreciated. awesome book thankyou Nathan. |
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@ 11:38 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Hello Mike, just thought to mention this ... A short time back I loaded up some rounds of Sierra 180 grain Round Nosed bullets for my .308 using 44 grains of Winchester 748 powder.I was at the range yesterday sighting in some other ammo for wolves, and thought I would try a couple of three shot groups. To my surprise both groups were ragged one hole of 0.254 and 0.272. Pressure was just fine as well using my Norma brass and Federal GMM210 primers. Brass had been neck sized but had been annealed just befor sizing as this was their 4th loading in that rifle which is a Rem 700P LTR with a 20 inch barrel in a 1:12 twist. Temperatures were tight around plus 3 F. and I never had my chronograph on hand at the time. |
@ 11:41 pm (GMT) |
Bryan WebsterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.As an afterthought, while that load worked well in my rifle it may not be the best idea for anyone to simply leap right into the same load. All rifles and powder lots could make for a bad day if it does not fare well in your rifle. |
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@ 09:29 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.went back and reread both book chapter and knowledgebaseso .308 /bush ranges/red stag as maximum partition or SST in 150 grn the SST is nearly half the price or partition. What say you chaps???? |
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@ 06:37 pm (GMT) |
Nathan FosterRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.Hi Mike, in replying, I want to make sure we are on the same page. The 150 grain .308 SST and 150 grain .270 cal SST are two different animals. Both are at their limit on Reds. In the .270 cal, this is as heavy an SST as one can go so it simply is what it is while being aided by a higher SD (the bullet is simply longer than the .308 150gr SST). In the .308 bore, there are much better bullets for this job rather than pushing the short 150gr to its limits.In my experience, a change in SD is the key factor rather than a change in bullet construction. The 180gr Win PP works well for you because is it long and heavy, yet very soft- dumping energy rather than retaining it. In the .308 and as per your description of your individual situation, you would do well to use the 165 or 180gr SST. Though I do believe you would thoroughly enjoy playing with and using the 200gr ELD-X for bush work with the chance of a the occasional longer shot. In the .270, you may enjoy using the annealed 150gr SST. Having said this, the Partition is hard to beat if you are not pushing ranges way out long. The plain Interlock is OK but it can suffer shallow penetration if driven very fast and if striking large bones at close ranges. A pity because it is an otherwise great pill. I spent a lot of time playing with this. In fact this was a subject of focus when I first started experimenting with bullet temper and other factors while being buddied by Dave Emary and Steve Johnson, many many years ago. |
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@ 06:46 am (GMT) |
Mike DavisRe: Cartridges Book Second Edition.ok mate, thanks for that....180 SST or 200 ELD-Xhmmm time to go shopping. pushing ranges out long isnt my thing...without a rangefinder and drop chart its not ethical for me to try...either I stalk closer or it walks away. the .270 will get fed partitions thanks again for taking the time to help us all out. |
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